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Re: Deceit from El jadida, Moroccan Men, Lisa, On-line dating farce, intercultural relationship, marriage, feelings, Muslim

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Submitted by Straight_Talk_Luigi (United States), Sep 13, 2008 at 17:04

Luigi...you know what is "utterly ridiculous" in your own words..

Really? Explaining to you that real, matrimonial love and trust does NOT happen over the internet is ridiculous?

...wev all have feelings we all are human and Moroccans are no different...

Do you subscribe to the idea that "if it feels good do it?" Because that's why a lot of people are on this board, including myself. It's a ridiculous philosophy that could be downfall of the what is now known as the First World in a matter of decades.

Indeed we do feel, that is one reason why I am on here: To explain to you, and others, Lisa, that your feelings are going to get crushed by a freight train if you go through with this. Good, strong marriages involve using your head as much, if not more, than your heart.

No one has told you that Moroccans don't have feelings on this board. Many Moroccans have expressed their disgust for relationship users like your "fiancé" seems to be. In some cases, they feel ashamed, which they shouldn't because it's no reflection on them. Hardly representative of the whole 33 million+ of them, that's for sure.

But do you ever notice how it's Western liberal women who on here defending these relationships? It's not Moroccans (who are usually critical of them) or Muslims or couples from North Africa?

A couple of reasons why:

a) this type of deceit is unacceptable to many Muslims, Moroccans and people in general.

b) They are worried about the reputation of Islam and their culture. I am big enough to know this does not represent either. Some will use taquiyya to marry a Western to use her womb to spread global jihad, but that's really about it. Consider those are rare cases, I would say it's hardly representative.

c) They are out to be truthful, not to prove how tolerant they are

d) Couples who are in normal, loving relationships simply DON'T CARE about other people's drama! They are TOO BUSY in their own universe with their families. I don't care if they are Moroccan, American, whatever! People who already have what they want don't care about drama!

If your relationship was so fantastic, what is said on here, even the rare insults and generalization, shouldn't impact you that much. Because it does, it suggests to me some insecurities and uncertainty, even if not admitted. It would be different if someone showed up at your house and berated his culture, but that isn't happening, is it?

Don't bring all Moroccans into this to try and discredit me and legitimize your relationship, Lisa.

..You type this message to me judging him in the same boat as so many other when in fact there are people right here in each of our countries that can scam women as well....

Lisa, Western women aren't likely to scam for a visa to go to the Third World, it would be easier for them to just do it legally. Besides, what reason would they have to leave? We have it made here in the West.

So, most people in the West prefer to stay there.

The scams, or problems as a more broad category that do happen here in the West usually involve money, premarital sex, cheating, abuse and living together before marriage. Judge Judy kinds of things.

I myself have been had real nicely by a secular, socialist agnostic from the USA. Gotta love certain social liberals and their desire to manage other people's money while they don't give up a single cent for their cause.

However, Lisa, that does nothing to make your relationship all the more real. You seem to be just saying that to justify what doesn't seem to be there.

.you are so judgmental of all these men...

I have said on this forum many, many times, Lisa that this behavior is NOT exclusive to Moroccans or Muslims. No one who posts regularly on this forum is judgmental.

Don't think for a single second that I'm going to tuck tail and run at the notion of race or culture. I'm not afraid to discuss it and discuss it thoroughly and controversially.

just like some of my family members because he the "Moroccan-muslim" is foreign to us and he is different and maybe even darker skinned in some cases...
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I think maybe, just maybe, Lisa, your family is concerned also because real love doesn't happen on-line? So feel free to drop the race card, ok? And by current racial classification that everyone uses (and misuses), many if not most Moroccans are Caucasian. Mediterranean people tend to be darker than people from Scandinavia, but it may interest you to know the northern native tribes there have closer genetic links to Moroccans than to other Europeans.

So, really, throwing the skin color/culture card at me....not going to work.

You think you know my fiancé.
.....My fiancé wants nothing from me but my love.....

I know your situation. I don't have to know everything about him. In fact, there's plenty you've said already that has convinced me this is not for real.

I think you ought to read amy's response. Fiancé? You're going to marry a man you've never even met, and you're telling me I'm ridiculous???

Has he proposed to you then? Or are you so far gone that you're just assuming? Because I've encountered this type of on-line "fiancé" stuff before. It was a nightmare, to say the least.

You are so quick to jump to your conclusions that I must be a rich westerner or rich and he is after me for my money...

Not as quick as you are to marry to this man (9 months on-line was it?), but I'm not rushing into conclusions. The warning signs are clear as day.

First of all, "rich" is in the eye of the beholder, but you're not going to get much sympathy from me considering that you have internet access and if things are so bad for you, you'd be looking on monster.com or some other place for a job.

Whatever the case is, he sees you as better off, and that's all that matters, not how you perceive yourself, Lisa.

guses what Luigi....I am almost as poor as he is and it does not change his feelings for me as I did not go out seeking a rich man which I could have If I wanted one...
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So, are you dating this man to prove that you are tolerant in terms of race, religion, culture and economic status? Wouldn't be the first time. That's what happened during the civil rights era here in America.

you are in no position to know what this man wants from me.
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Actually, you've given me all I need to know to assess the situation at hand, and since you're on here and not spending time with your man, you may as well read about how similar your story is to everyone else's, including mine. Aside from the glowering red flags, your mere presence on here and the fact that you took the time to write a long essay to me speaks volumes about what is going on.

I grew up with the internet, I've been talking to people on it since I was 12, and I am an experienced blogger. What you are saying, Lisa, is nothing new at all. I've seen all these excuse and race, income-status and relationship baiting and it's just not going to work. I've been around way too long for that.

..Unlike the other stories here posted...Mohahammed B. doesn't care where we live.

So what? I've heard that one before too, Lisa.

....Its totally up to me.....He will be just as happy at either place.....He is helping pay for my trip.....He doesn't care if it takes two years to come live here to be with me cause he does love me and yes when he sees me he and I both want nothing more to touch and you don't need to be in the flesh to develop feelings and love...

Yes, Lisa, you DO need to be in the flesh to experience the kind of love you are talking about, because touch is part of communication. You don't necessarily need it for a crush or for infatuation, which is exactly what this sham of an engagment you are in is all about.

So, before you said both you and he were poor, but now he can help you pay for your trip? Don't you see the inconsistencies here? Goodness, you must be pretty well off because I can't afford to go to Morocco. It's not even on the table.

This man will tell you anything if he knows that you won't leave on whim. He can take more chances and gambles.

..You are right once we see and spend time together, our love will just be stronger and we both have discussed the fact Im older and have my own children and can never bear him any and I have asked him if there would ever be any regrets...

It doesn't matter if you've discussed the fact that you are older. The difference with liars and scammers in the dating realm is that they aren't afraid to talk about honesty, loyalty and how "age is but a number." Oh yeah, Lisa, I've heard that before too on here more than once.

Men who are scammers will even call you rude if you ask probing questions or even threaten to leave if they think it will help them get you.

I don't think you really understand, Lisa, what a slimy business this is, and I think you're too caught up in the fact that he's different and from somewhere exotic to see what is really going on.

his response"if my kids could share some fatherly love that he may have inside will be fine with him, and he asked me, how do I know I can even have kids, also he said Kids are not all of our lives baby"...

Sound nice, doesn't it? A lot of scams and scandals do until you've been had. They really wouldn't work if the whole "time to fool her" element wasn't there. This statement pales in comparison to the red flags here, and sweet things like that get said all of the time. Why else do you think women are roped in so easily?

We have discussed every issue.....we both have taken every precaution including blood tests to be performed and also criminal police reports from local city or FBI has to be obtained before marriage and he has had an aids test.
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Those are medical precautions, Lisa!!! As long as your man isn't carrying a rare disease or is a terrorist, the government really doesn't care! All the personal issues are yours and his to deal with, and if he is scammer (which he could very well be), then you're the one who's going to pay the price.

The thing about living in Africa, Lisa, is that the police can be bribed, and if he can afford to help pay for your trip (well, he says he will, but he might change his mind once you arrive), he can afford to bribe them.

Also, the fact of the matter is, crime and corruption is a problem in Morocco as it is in most Third World. The fact that you would take this man at his word over something like that makes this even more ridiculous, especially since you feel the need to try and convince me about it.

.I am not some naive woman in love here and I don't take kindly you judging me as one.
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Again, no one is judging you, but it is VERY naive if you think that this is going to end with happily ever after.

..I am well educated and so is this man....

Education.....got to love it.

What does it mean to be educated, Lisa? I hear that a lot when I debate liberals from Europe and the USA. They say they are "educated."

Getting an "education" means less and less as the months tick by. Here in the West, we are really just producing a society of test-takers that hinders innovation. Most of the people in my field come here from different countries because Americans, in some cases, would rather party, talk on AIM and watch football than do calculus.

Also, the institutions seem to think that sex ed on GLBT issues and biased propaganda about multiculturalism and tolerance and diversity should take up from the three R's, and why, it should even be an excuse to not do well in school or to get into to law program. There was a case like that with African-American men at one our universities, but because they were admitted due to the concentration of melanin in their skin as opposed to academic credentials, and they probably thought they could coast because they didn't have to work as hard to get in, and what happened? They ended up not graduating.

In the Middle East and North Africa, literacy rates are plummeting due to heavy population growth. Soon, the only educated people will be a smattering of engineers, doctors and lawyers, but mainly the radical Islamic clergy who already tell their people things like "Danish women marry dogs."

So, I'm really not impressed by education anymore, Lisa. I've been in that system now for 8 years, and it's becoming a joke and a huge waste of financial resources.

I don't suppose along with "proof" of criminal record he has "proof" of a degree?

.You said oh he has other wifes he will stow away,lol..

If he does have a wife, or two or three, it wouldn't be the first time something like that has happened. Then, I don't think you'd be the one laughing.

..you don't know this man but yet you act like you do.

That's what, the second the time you've said, Lisa? I don't need to know what his quirks or his favorite kind of ice cream is to know this situation. You said you got an education? Maybe that's what (at least partially) is eroding your common sense here. I don't have to write a dissertation about your man to see the light of truth here, Lisa, you've given me plenty of reasons already and you've communicated to me more than you realize it seems. That's a concern, because there are things happening with your relationship that you refuse to see.

..we have discussed this issue as well...there will never be any 2nd wife and there will bea contract signed and his dad has two wifes his mom being second wife but the man is 74....but Mohammed thinks this was a selfish act on his dads part and it has caused turmoil in his family home with the dad sharing his life at two homes......

It doesn't surprise me one bit that there is tension. It's really the basic biological fact of sharing an intimate partner with someone else. For the man, heck, he's having the time of his life.

My comment on the 2nd wife scenario is that it does happen, and who knows? Maybe Mohammed (Simo) will change his mind. The reality is, Lisa, a lot of foreign bride/grooms do a complete 180 once the "I do's" are said. The same thing happens with Russian women and American men. I think of one case where once the Russian got over here, she basically ignored the man, learned English and got a drivers liscense and left. Took about three years.

Another reader on here, sash, used to defend her Moroccoan husband also, until she caught him cheating, possibly even while she was defending him on here.


I did not give you enough facts for you to judge him like others......I have cancelled this trip twice due to financial situations that

The minor details don't really add up to much. Other posters have also thought that by being detailed with their posts it would make their situation more "unique" and therefore real. There is some seriously flawed logic here if you think that

he is aware of and if he wasa con he would move on and find someone rich after all they are mostly taught this right?

As I said earlier, he probably does see you as rich. He could, but then he'd have to start all over again. He's clearly got in you in the bag, and you are like melted butter in his hands, and he knows it, Lisa. That's not a Moroccan thing, that's a guy thing.

Even the women must find rich men.........This man is very attractive as I am considered athletic and attractive as well and I get compliments all the time when with my 22 yr old son and people think he is my boyfrnd so don't be thinking age can be a bad thing..
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Ha! I have NO doubt that you are attractive, Lisa. My mother still gets carded at bars, if you can believe that.

The fact that he is Moroccan or Muslim or whatever doesn't matter. There is a growing trend of flings between older women and younger men in the West and in North Africa. But that is exactly what they are: flings. Not marriage or relationships.

When you add international dating to the mix, the chance for these types of relationships to succeed even without red flags is still very minimal.

Lisa, I am writing this to you out of concern. I don't think you are 100% convinced of this yourself, even if you don't realize it.

.I may even feel and look younger than him so he tells me......I know regardless what I say here you will have something negative to say...women...don't listen to some bad experiences on here and take the time to read and know your man's character and true feelings.....Lisa

That's kind a of paradox, because if to be positive is to do the right thing, well, it's often not always the easy thing. On-line dating is not easy for most people, and it never will be. I think the biggest mistake that people make with is that they are looking for a quick fix and it's easy (especially for men) to be more confident on-line than in real life.

The problem is, Lisa, it's pretty much impossible for women to tell if their man is coming across as honest or not over the internet even with a webcam!!!

What brings so many women on here, I think, is that they don't know, because they can't actually go out on dates with their man, touch him, see his eyes, body language; they can't calibrate emotional states, and induce mirroring as Marius Panzeralla describes in Dating Secrets Revealed. As a result, YOUR ability to detect male nonsense goes down!

They come on here because they aren't sure and ask themselves, "Am I just being paranoid"? I think that next to being seen as a slut, women don't want to be seen as paranoid! And usually there is no evidence it's a scam because they don't know the warning signs!

I understand this isn't easy for you to hear, Lisa, but what did you expect? Everyone to roll out the red carpet and congratulate you, despite our knowing better?

You picked a really poor place for that, but I think there's more too it than that. You are so "in love" you say, yet you seem to need the attention of this blog.

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4Update again FLIGHT CANCELED AGAIN [83 words]jessica (canada)Sep 25, 2021 12:59268671
12I agree with you Prashant [73 words]Pumpkin SpiceSep 26, 2021 16:21268671
2Rebooked my ticket again for December [281 words]Jessica (Canada)Sep 27, 2021 21:30268671
12Misunderstanding Marriage is Miscarriage of Marriage [422 words]M ToveyJun 9, 2021 13:48268070
13fell in love with Morracan man in states [46 words]DanielleJun 9, 2021 10:12268057
24Run! [97 words]Lana(USA)Jun 10, 2021 08:39268057
5Yes I pretty sure you got played [80 words]Jessica (Canada)Jul 1, 2021 23:53268057
8Let us judge others [89 words]PrashantAug 6, 2021 18:04268057
8Western apologists for Islam [213 words]PrashantAug 7, 2021 17:52268057
3Wrong citation; correction. [29 words]PrashantAug 9, 2021 00:19268057
4So sorry [36 words]PollyJan 31, 2022 11:53268057
2My advice to Danielle (why is it so difficult?) [80 words]PrashantJan 31, 2022 23:02268057
35Understanding the narcissistic Muslim men who never will love their wives (In response to Tracy's post) [554 words]A very concerned readerMay 4, 2021 17:00266404
25Got some good posters on here [191 words]ChelseaMar 15, 2021 15:08264747
12Chelsea [78 words]LinaMar 23, 2021 19:43264747
12Absolutely! [119 words]Lana(USA)Mar 25, 2021 10:02264747
18Good to hear from you! [92 words]Robin M.Apr 6, 2021 07:36264747
6So true,but... [63 words]Lana(USA)Apr 22, 2021 00:43264747
8Is he married? [500 words]TraceyMay 4, 2021 08:53264747
15Understanding the narcissistic Muslim man who never will love their wives [474 words]A very concerned readerMay 4, 2021 16:32264747
9True Marriage is About Sacrifice - What are You Willing to Give Up? [124 words]M ToveyMay 4, 2021 16:35264747
17Advice to Tracey [338 words]PrashantMay 5, 2021 00:37264747
17Run [173 words]HopeMay 5, 2021 15:18264747
6To Tracy from a very concerned reader [17 words]Ella AustraliaMay 12, 2021 01:09264747
11Thanks to you, Ella [188 words]A very concerned readerMay 13, 2021 19:43264747
6TRACEY - ERHAN [26 words]KARENMay 20, 2021 18:44264747
11Agree [39 words]Lana(USA)May 21, 2021 15:59264747
3Rat or not? [88 words]MimiAug 16, 2021 14:09264747
14R A T !!!!! [144 words]ChelseaAug 22, 2021 12:11264747
4TOTAL SCAMMER MIMI [100 words]jessica (canada)Aug 23, 2021 19:09264747
1Rat or not [102 words]MimiAug 24, 2021 13:02264747
5RAT [190 words]jessica (canada)Aug 25, 2021 18:33264747
13You seriously need to research into Muslim men [197 words]Pumpkin SpiceSep 27, 2021 08:04264747
1Rat or not? [111 words]MimiSep 27, 2021 13:21264747
2Bună Spice [127 words]MimiSep 27, 2021 13:37264747
2Four Clues to Insincerity [101 words]M ToveySep 27, 2021 17:02264747
1Hello [94 words]MimiSep 28, 2021 04:35264747
4And Greetings of Peace to You; And a Simple Hello as Well [610 words]M ToveySep 28, 2021 12:08264747
6Message for Mimi [59 words]PrashantSep 28, 2021 13:26264747
Ciao [1362 words]MimiSep 29, 2021 14:34264747
2Bună Spice [95 words]MimiSep 29, 2021 17:29264747
Allora buona fortuna - In Seeking Contentment [35 words]M ToveySep 30, 2021 19:05264747
11Mental Torment [324 words]ChelseaOct 3, 2021 18:18264747
1Bună Spice [109 words]MIMIOct 10, 2021 15:45264747
5Strength of Woman's Identity Not Tied to Any Man [172 words]M ToveyOct 11, 2021 16:36264747
1Bună Spice [103 words]MimiOct 12, 2021 16:19264747
3Islam is Easy on the Muslim Man - Its Record Speaks for Itself [170 words]M ToveyOct 12, 2021 18:58264747
1Bună Spice [337 words]MimiOct 13, 2021 13:11264747
5Empty Promises Lead to Empty Hearts - Seek Spiritual Truth First [199 words]M ToveyOct 14, 2021 12:20264747
3Curious [54 words]SherryOct 17, 2021 15:08264747
Resposta para Mimi [35 words]AleJan 30, 2022 15:56264747
Rat or not [175 words]MimiJan 31, 2022 13:42264747
4Do Not Be Enticed - An Empty Heart Cannot Be Filled with Empty Promsies [158 words]M ToveyJan 31, 2022 17:42264747
9Do you want my opinion? [133 words]Robin M.Feb 8, 2022 15:02264747
Rat or not [179 words]MimiFeb 9, 2022 13:59264747
4Time to let go [62 words]Robin M.Feb 9, 2022 16:38264747
Rat or not [92 words]MimiJun 23, 2022 16:27264747
2Money scamming is not the main reason [148 words]PrashantJun 24, 2022 08:49264747
Rat or not [249 words]MimiJun 24, 2022 13:12264747
3Overcoming a Fear of Separation Anxiety - Insincerity is the Witness Seen in this Delusion [239 words]M ToveyJun 25, 2022 00:00264747
2Be careful [41 words]Catherine Elaine PeppersFeb 4, 2023 14:50264747
good evening catherine [208 words]MimiFeb 5, 2023 16:02264747
20To Brainwashed Smasher about the true meaning of nikah [505 words]A very concerned readerMar 1, 2021 01:44264398
16To Sherry: Veils for answering the nature's call, the Muslim men's right to rape the unveiled women [345 words]A very concerned readerFeb 26, 2021 14:24264318
25About the houris [690 words]A very concerned readerFeb 23, 2021 00:17264210
22To N and S: some replies to your questions and resources for you! [632 words]A very concerned readerFeb 18, 2021 18:26264041
36Long Live the Non-Muslim [847 words]AliciaFeb 18, 2021 15:37264035
15So beautifully written. Real facts. Why Islam can't be compared to other religions [353 words]A very concerned readerFeb 19, 2021 15:43264035
5Breath Taking and True Post [15 words]ChelseaMar 16, 2021 19:18264035
27Talking about morals: to Alicia on her last post which by the way I love! [314 words]A very concerned readerFeb 16, 2021 00:03263953
18Reply to A very concerned reader [115 words]Jessica (Canada)Feb 17, 2021 00:04263953
22A mix of fear, convenience, jealousy and pride: women's role in Islam [652 words]A very concerned readerFeb 18, 2021 04:44263953
6Hi A very concerned reader [516 words]N and SFeb 18, 2021 13:06263953
17Muslims Countries vs The rest of the World [305 words]AliciaFeb 18, 2021 13:52263953
13Muslim's misgiving [167 words]PrashantFeb 18, 2021 16:33263953
14Wrong religion, wrong site! [84 words]A very concerned readerFeb 19, 2021 16:06263953
7100 percent correct [68 words]Jessica (Canada)Feb 20, 2021 01:34263953
8Well said a Very concerned reader [153 words]Jessica (Canada)Feb 20, 2021 01:52263953
12Here's a nice example [79 words]JeffFeb 20, 2021 21:21263953
8Oh, The houris... [441 words]A very concerned readerFeb 20, 2021 23:52263953
11Once again, one-sided love [66 words]A very concerned readerFeb 22, 2021 13:33263953
1Failure to Notice Where Devotion to God is Supreme in Eternity [211 words]M ToveyFeb 22, 2021 15:38263953
4Haha A concerned reader [12 words]jessica (canada)Feb 22, 2021 18:43263953
14A God with no compassion, a reward full of lust [116 words]A very concerned readerFeb 22, 2021 22:48263953
2Very well said [5 words]PrasthantFeb 23, 2021 22:09263953
11Recovery [76 words]SherryFeb 24, 2021 11:35263953
4Relationships that Serve the Prideful Self Always Breaks the Hearts of Others [366 words]M ToveyFeb 24, 2021 12:49263953
9NPD in Muslim men and Ali Sina [317 words]A very concerned readerFeb 24, 2021 13:25263953
9Very nice reflection, M Tovey: time comes when the only thing you see is the Muslim man [358 words]A very concerned readerFeb 25, 2021 01:35263953
4Objection on Religious Grounds - Men and Women Equal in Eyes of Heaven, Salvation [479 words]M ToveyFeb 26, 2021 18:53263953
9Narcissist destroy, empaths create: a selfish religion to cater one man's needs? [483 words]A very concerned readerMar 1, 2021 15:06263953
2Correction [45 words]A very concerned readerMar 1, 2021 17:43263953
3Male-Female Emotional Disparity - Seeking Common Ground of Love [342 words]M ToveyMar 2, 2021 13:31263953
5Sowing what we truly embrace and want to reap! [314 words]A very concerned readerMar 3, 2021 02:48263953
5Emotional Survival of the Most Desperate Kind [438 words]M ToveyMar 4, 2021 11:49263953
8To N and S [233 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 21:19263845
17Thank you FAtou [88 words]BaboonFeb 9, 2021 12:49263786
9Hi Jessica [190 words]N and SFeb 9, 2021 15:57263786
10N and S [228 words]LinaFeb 9, 2021 17:05263786
19It's more dangerous than people may think [254 words]A very concerned readerFeb 10, 2021 14:57263786
8Very good points [213 words]LinaFeb 10, 2021 22:17263786
7Very true [120 words]A very concerned readerFeb 11, 2021 15:22263786
7N and S [471 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 21:09263786
4N and S reply [645 words]jessica (canada)Feb 12, 2021 18:23263786
7Hi A very concerned reader [516 words]N and SFeb 17, 2021 16:51263786
3WEAK [23 words]alanaSep 12, 2021 07:00263786
48To Fatou/Adja, to the immigration officers of Western countries, to this forum readers. To those googling "I'm in love with a Muslim man" [812 words]A very concerned readerFeb 9, 2021 00:36263772
17I wish I could raise a toast to this [174 words]AliciaFeb 10, 2021 01:16263772
11Cheers! [230 words]A very concerned readerFeb 10, 2021 14:16263772
5Let's raise* that toast!!! [23 words]A very concerned readerFeb 10, 2021 15:11263772
11I could not agree more! [178 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 01:10263772
19Why they don't like Christianity [713 words]A very concerned readerFeb 11, 2021 06:28263772
10Big hypocrite [222 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 09:16263772
14Hijab and the hypocrisy of it [144 words]A very concerned readerFeb 11, 2021 15:13263772
4Where is the Truth Hiding When No One is Looking for it [233 words]M ToveyFeb 11, 2021 21:35263772
14My insight about Islam and why a Non Muslim woman can fit in this ideology [648 words]A very concerned readerFeb 14, 2021 00:18263772
2Why Non Muslim women can't fit* [14 words]A very concerned readerFeb 14, 2021 01:18263772
18Their lives and hearts are so dark [102 words]Ella AustraliaFeb 14, 2021 23:54263772
11Why they don't like Christianity [19 words]Lisa D.Feb 15, 2021 12:35263772
1Why Eternal Fulfillment is of Love/Respect is Hard to See [282 words]M ToveyFeb 15, 2021 18:02263772
7Well said, Islam has straight jacketed itself into self destruction. [139 words]PrasthantFeb 15, 2021 18:30263772
12Same feeling here, Ella, while we make great efforts to integrate their culture [144 words]A very concerned readerFeb 16, 2021 02:18263772
2Basis of Anthipathy Towards Judeo-Christian (Messianic) Beliefs [220 words]M ToveyFeb 19, 2021 21:55263772
3Great Truth teachings on Islam [99 words]SherryFeb 24, 2021 11:56263772
5Veils for answering the nature's call, the Muslim men's right to rape the unveiled women [338 words]A very concerned readerFeb 26, 2021 06:33263772
4Muslim dislike Christian / Christians have POWER over them [7 words]BrendaSep 17, 2021 15:28263772
7Hijab should not be used to exemplify diversity [274 words]PrashantFeb 7, 2021 01:39263720
21To Fatou: we wish we were discarded by your men!/ Thank us for warning you that they don't respect you either [335 words]A very concerned readerFeb 6, 2021 15:12263711
10Ladies here last comment [146 words]FatouFeb 6, 2021 09:56263707
Rat or not? [106 words]MimiAug 16, 2021 15:20263707
10Muslim Men will NEVER Marry a 53 year old Woman [243 words]AliciaAug 16, 2021 21:34263707
Female 53 years old. [102 words]MimiAug 17, 2021 14:42263707
5Hijab should not be presented as a symbol of diversity [159 words]PrashantFeb 6, 2021 01:47263699
7Hijab as a political statement [45 words]Lisa D.Feb 9, 2021 15:10263699
4Lina reply [90 words]FatouFeb 5, 2021 17:30263683
12Fatou: We wish they discard us!/ you should thank us for warning you [247 words]A very concerned readerFeb 6, 2021 14:57263683
4I would just leave it be [64 words]AjdaFeb 8, 2021 02:01263683
11Hmmm Fatou we all wonder [66 words]jessica (canada)Feb 8, 2021 11:51263683
5Ajda [7 words]FatouFeb 8, 2021 15:39263683
11Fatou's self-righteousness stinks [110 words]PrashantFeb 9, 2021 18:12263683
3Married [25 words]To Jessica canadaFeb 11, 2021 10:11263683
5Big hypocrites too!!! [263 words]Lana(USA)Feb 11, 2021 10:51263683
9Religion over Science [77 words]Lisa DFeb 11, 2021 12:35263683
5Gifts [12 words]LinaFeb 11, 2021 15:48263683
19Marriage means nothing in Islam, my dear [101 words]A very concerned readerFeb 11, 2021 18:04263683
6Reply about Married- and why are you using my name [143 words]jessica (canada)Feb 12, 2021 16:23263683
13Islam is the worst, Muslim countries will never prosper they just get worse [87 words]AliciaFeb 12, 2021 17:33263683
6Alicia is right about Islam [96 words]PrashantFeb 15, 2021 18:42263683
6Cannot say Merry Christmas in here. [43 words]Jessica (Canada)Feb 15, 2021 22:34263683
9You're very right, that's why our women need to be aware of this [300 words]A very concerned readerFeb 15, 2021 23:12263683
7Big thank you and my best wishes always [263 words]A very concerned readerFeb 15, 2021 23:37263683
2Rat?? [99 words]MimiAug 18, 2021 05:17263683
1ROP celebrations in Dhaka [184 words]PrashantApr 5, 2022 21:00263683
Another violent incidence in Tel Aviv [122 words]PrashantApr 7, 2022 21:03263683
15The true face of a real Muslim Woman [1019 words]AliciaFeb 5, 2021 13:58263674
21To Fatou: Muslimahs are deceived too. Are you surprised? [294 words]A very concerned readerFeb 5, 2021 13:14263670
4We all wait for Fatou reply to your comments [11 words]jessica (canada)Feb 8, 2021 11:56263670
2Lina [144 words]FatouFeb 5, 2021 09:16263662
1Explain to concerned reader [145 words]FatouFeb 5, 2021 09:08263661
16Your points [64 words]LinaFeb 5, 2021 13:54263661
21Correction and more unreplied questions [209 words]A very concerned readerFeb 5, 2021 14:43263661
14Purpose of the board [233 words]LinaFeb 5, 2021 17:34263661
8Things that happen in males parties and when nobody is watching [39 words]A very concerned readerFeb 5, 2021 20:01263661
13I'll take what I want from your culture and insult the rest [125 words]JeffFeb 5, 2021 20:44263661
16The reasons why Fatou is here and the controversial respect topic [290 words]A very concerned readerFeb 6, 2021 16:03263661
3Lina and other who take this tone in comments [107 words]FatouFeb 7, 2021 09:55263661
7Don't forget [144 words]LinaFeb 8, 2021 14:38263661
6Thank you [125 words]LinaFeb 8, 2021 14:48263661
5Or better still [18 words]LinaFeb 8, 2021 14:50263661
8So true, Lina [123 words]A concerned readerFeb 8, 2021 23:15263661
3Thanks to you too! [23 words]A very concerned readerFeb 8, 2021 23:52263661
8That is why Muslims (and the reader Fatou) need education [157 words]PrashantFeb 9, 2021 17:59263661
27Muslim Marriages the REAL WAY [1437 words]AliciaFeb 4, 2021 23:03263645
12What a good picture of Pakistani societal system [281 words]A very concerned readerFeb 5, 2021 13:58263645
7Yes muslim will never like non-muslim [86 words]jessica (canada)Feb 8, 2021 12:07263645
6This part is so true Alicia [387 words]jessica (canada)Feb 8, 2021 12:45263645
1Pipes Response/Our Religion [36 words]FatouFeb 4, 2021 16:31263624
3Teaching basic Arabic to wannabe Arabs our dear Fatou [241 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 5, 2021 14:14263624
4Guiding the perplexed our dear Fatou and deciphering the Arabic language [97 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 5, 2021 14:29263624
1Our dear Fatou and the word الصلوة/الصلاة (PRAYER) in the Qur'an [398 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 6, 2021 07:50263624
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23About arranged marriages: what Western women must know [299 words]A very concerned readerFeb 3, 2021 22:30263589
19In response to Fatou 2: It's all about respect [123 words]A very concerned readerFeb 3, 2021 17:55263578
10A very concerned reader: The correct translation of صلى الله عليه وسلم is not the PBUH nonsense [158 words]
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