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More at stake, Turkish Islamists call Armenian genocide a myth.

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Submitted by Oscar Laurens Schrover (Netherlands), Nov 28, 2004 at 13:31

There is more at stake than merely a debate and a law. Dutch Parliament did not abolish the blasphemy law, the majority did not support the proposition of Mrs. Louisewies van der Laan (D'66), a Dutch liberal parliamentarian.

Though the law will not be enforced, it will – in effect – be kept in the Dutch Penal code.

The murder of Van Gogh has had very serious repercussions on the freedom of press; columnists such as Prof. Dr. Paul Cliteur refuse to address 'Muslim-issues' as they do not want to end like van Gogh. Journalists doubt what they can write, and politicians seek appeasement or multiculturality, which Mr. Helmut Schmidt, former German Chancellor and publisher of Die Zeit has denounced as a fallacy.

The Dutch Government, still fails to tackle the threat of Islamic fundamentalism. Here is an example by one of the flowers in the multi-cultural bouquet that Holland had to sniff from:

Turkish-islamic Lobby active in the Netherlands

Someone the press and researched need to follow is mr. Akgündüz, who is the dean of the IUR Islamic University of Rotterdam. In december 2003 mr. Akgündüz addressed members of the TFN, a Dutch affiliation of the grey wolves, about the Armenian genocide.
He told his audience that there never had been such a genocide in an islamic country, and that the Armenians had been forced to emigrate. And that is why, he added, 'the Turkish government, despite the treason of the Armenians, bought all their possesions – at the highest prices possible – and then had handed the proceeds from the sale to them.'
Futhermore the Yurks had not killed two millions Armenians, but on the contrary Armenians had killed many Turks. After his lecture mr. Akgündüz was applauded by the members of the TFN, and received gifts.

Some 6 months ago the TFN-branch Rotterdam send a presssheet to Dutch journalists, signed by mr. Akgündüz. In it he claims that 'the deportation of Armenians, as there was no genocide, was wholly in accordance with islamic law'. He also claims that countless innocent Turks were murdered by Armenians. According to mr. Akgündüz there were at least a million Turkish victims.
Mr. Balkenende rushed to the Bedir school when it was torched, his government didnot act when Mr. Akgündüz called the Armenian genocide a myth.

There was no uproar in the Dutch Press, no prosecution was started against mr. Akgündüz.
In may 2003 and may 3004 the Dean of IUR mr Akgündüz was involved in the organization of several controversial gatherings, a.o. the meeting of TIHS, the Turkish Islamic Help and Solidarity Foundation, on which mr. Muhsin Yazicioglu, chairman of the Turkish BBP was a guestspeaker. And: Mr. Yazicioglu is the undisputed leader of the grey wolves, an organization who according its statutes believes in the superiority of the Turkish race and its religion. According to mr. Yazicioglu the Turkish race is more nobler than any other race. (Where did we hear this before?)


The IUR is a front-organization of the BBP, and claims 'to work for the achievement of harmony, dialogue and balance in life, production and reproduction of knowledge within an Islamic paradigm.'
The IUR desires to train Turkish educators, is a staunch supporter of the multi-cultural society and wants to serve European 'Turkishness.'

The question is how much room do governments allow the Turkish fascists..
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