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Reader comment on item: Affirmative Action in Beauty Contests?
Submitted by cjackb (United States), May 17, 2010 at 18:27
Don't misconstrue this question as honest engagement of any sort. I'm just curious. The example of Georgina Rizk winning Miss Universe, then being withdrawn out of fear of terrorism: Doesn't that example of past cowardice illustrate rather well the courage and inclusiveness of recently crowning a "surprising frequency" of Muslims? Rather than practicing affirmative action, why can't these beauty pageant judges be "standing up to fundamentalist Islam." Your thoughts?
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Daniel Pipes replies:
You are making my point, that the judges are inclined to reward the Muslim contestants.
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