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The Perfect Argument ... Q.E.D.
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in response to reader comment: Almost getting there, and then the familiar U-turn
Submitted by Domenic Pepe (United States), May 14, 2013 at 11:57
Mr. Thompson has made the perfect argument clearly demonstrating that once islam/islamism becomes "moderate" through the rejection of particular 1400 year old essential and core koranic and sharia psychopathic, supremacist, hateful, oppressive, aggressive, murderous, anti-freedom directives, then islam itself will no longer be islam. Q.E.D (quod erat demonstrandum)
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| 1 | Islamism as an Ideology [399 words] | Ludvikus | Feb 8, 2022 10:20 | 278764 | |
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 Retrovision - Does Islam Today Represent Islam of any Prior Age? [437 words] | M Tovey | Mar 15, 2021 19:58 | 241152 | ||
| 2 | Terrorism is Normative, nor "Radical" in Islam [2322 words] | Uncle Vladdi | Feb 14, 2015 02:57 | 221058 | |
| 1 | "Islamism" [173 words] | Dajjal | Feb 17, 2015 02:21 | 221058 | |
| 1 | Muslim apostates exit even in Saudi Arabia [500 words] | dhimmi no more | May 18, 2014 12:35 | 214875 |
| true political islam = westerm liberal democracy (3/4 rashodoun kalipha (somewhat) elected) [123 words] | hussain | Jan 10, 2014 15:45 | 212571 | ||
| 3 | Islam is islam [90 words] | albert snow | Jun 13, 2013 06:17 | 206939 | |
| 5 | A muslim is a muslim is a muslim [253 words] | Jonathan Livingstone Seagull | Jul 21, 2013 01:12 | 206939 | |
| Islamism; The Tool of Totalitarians. [132 words] | Karimi Karim | Jun 10, 2013 10:29 | 206871 | ||
| 2 | Islamist and not-Islamist [114 words] | Ameer (Istanbul) | Jun 4, 2013 21:50 | 206688 | |
| 2 | Low level islamic terrorism [34 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Vijay | May 29, 2013 07:52 | 206558 | |
| 7 | As i browse [77 words] | Michael Hanni Morcos | May 24, 2013 22:59 | 206311 | |
| 4 | Muhammad of the Medina period [63 words] | marlan | May 23, 2013 04:32 | 206246 | |
| Muhammad in the Medina period [46 words] | Prashant | Apr 24, 2017 04:32 | 206246 | ||
| 1 | pro-Sharia does not necessarily means islamist [45 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Gato Branco | May 23, 2013 02:36 | 206244 | |
| 16 | Let us call a spade a spade [583 words] | Lorthog | May 22, 2013 22:42 | 206242 | |
| 4 | Real Confrontation of Lunatic islamism is Absolutely Required [97 words] | Domenic Pepe | May 24, 2013 09:29 | 206242 | |
| Muhammad of the Medina period ? [63 words] | marlan | May 22, 2013 18:22 | 206238 | ||
| Not so much successful [671 words] | Gato Branco | May 22, 2013 03:52 | 206221 | ||
| Islam and Islamism are the same ideology and religion [371 words] | Martin Weidhaas | May 21, 2013 01:02 | 206197 | ||
| 10 | Monumetal Odds [104 words] | Michael Hanni Morcos | May 20, 2013 04:45 | 206186 | |
| I am non-plussed at Daniel's position on Islamism vs Islam. [122 words] | Michael Mckee | May 20, 2013 02:31 | 206182 | ||
| 3 | What can we learn from Egypt again [198 words] | dhimmi no more | May 19, 2013 15:21 | 206172 | |
| My forced conversion [35 words] | Ali Baba | May 23, 2013 16:16 | 206172 | ||
| 3 | Victims of Arabian imperialism [422 words] | dhimmi no more | May 24, 2013 17:44 | 206172 | |
| 4 | "peaceful sufis"?? [38 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Viola Briatkova | May 19, 2013 14:26 | 206170 | |
| 3 | Peaceful Sufis - yup, just as peaceful as Sunnis and Shias!! [151 words] | Jaladhi | May 22, 2013 20:57 | 206170 | |
| 10 | Sufis are hypocrites and they are paying for it [297 words] | dhimmi no more | May 26, 2013 07:17 | 206170 | |
| 2 | Peaceful Sufis_- Not!! [285 words] | Jaladhi | May 28, 2013 16:48 | 206170 | |
| 1 | A Muslim-free Islam debate [39 words] | Robert Wielaard | May 19, 2013 02:59 | 206159 | |
| 10 | Islamism is nothing but Jihad and all Muslims follow it!! [125 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Jaladhi | May 18, 2013 17:56 | 206151 | |
| 1 | So what is the answer [85 words] | Valin | May 18, 2013 19:13 | 206151 | |
| 5 | Must we really be making excuses for Islam? [218 words] | Tom | May 22, 2013 11:52 | 206151 | |
| 6 | Spread the truth about Islam far and wide!!! [263 words] | Jaladhi | May 22, 2013 18:27 | 206151 | |
| A reply [261 words] | Valin | May 25, 2013 07:43 | 206151 | ||
| The Truth? [13 words] | Valin | May 25, 2013 07:48 | 206151 | ||
| What the future looks like: [108 words] | Froike | Jun 21, 2013 12:14 | 206151 | ||
| defeating the Islamists [44 words] | akt | Mar 8, 2015 08:07 | 206151 | ||
| 22 | Dr. Pipes is mistaken [576 words] | Lorthog | May 18, 2013 02:24 | 206138 | |
| 5 | America Betrayed by Its Own Leadership [585 words] | Domenic Pepe | May 19, 2013 15:18 | 206138 | |
| 3 | Caught between a rock and a hard place? [335 words] | Dian Kjaergaard | May 20, 2013 18:04 | 206138 | |
| secularists in India [13 words] | akt | Mar 4, 2015 10:07 | 206138 | ||
| 4 | Question your "(islamists) have an impact beyond their limited numbers [65 words] | Alan Kushnir | May 17, 2013 21:07 | 206131 | |
| 1 | how instrumental is the Left? [191 words] | myth | May 17, 2013 16:24 | 206126 | |
| 7 | I think Mr. Pipes is somewhat off about why Islam was adopted by so many. [255 words] | JB | May 17, 2013 01:45 | 206114 | |
| 7 | "liberal thinkers and universalists" or the grand US strategy to help worldwide Islamists fight kafirs [203 words] | Ianus | May 18, 2013 02:57 | 206114 | |
| 1 | There is much in what Dreyfuss has to say but I do not think that US sins against [86 words] | JB | May 19, 2013 04:03 | 206114 | |
| 5 | American Power as the saudi/islamic Mercenary Army [294 words] | Domenic Pepe | May 19, 2013 18:18 | 206114 | |
| Obama's speech on terrorism: Yes, they can! [115 words] | JB | May 24, 2013 11:22 | 206114 | ||
| 5 | Islam vs. Islamism [173 words] | Bart Benschop | May 16, 2013 23:52 | 206112 | |
| -ism [24 words] | Eugene | May 16, 2013 14:44 | 206105 | ||
| 9 | Islam vs Islamism - good cop vs bad cop [202 words] | Danny Green | May 16, 2013 10:31 | 206098 | |
| 1 | Not Moderate Muslims, but DEMOCRATIC Muslims [330 words] | Demolan | May 16, 2013 09:15 | 206096 | |
| 2 | democracy/rule of law [79 words] | leigh | May 18, 2013 05:31 | 206096 | |
| 4 | Why not to make some parallels [45 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Roman | May 15, 2013 22:10 | 206083 | |
| 3 | some parallels in West Germany post 1945 [406 words] | myth | May 16, 2013 05:26 | 206083 | |
| 18 | More insights [93 words] | Michael Hanni Morcos | May 17, 2013 19:05 | 206083 | |
| 4 | Anti-Islam [100 words] | Tom | May 17, 2013 23:53 | 206083 | |
| will the victory of anti Islamists have similar consequences for Muslims as Germans and Russians today [120 words] | Shishir | May 21, 2013 02:05 | 206083 | ||
| 4 | Was Mahomet a terrorist ? [49 words] | Ianus | May 15, 2013 18:26 | 206080 | |
| 6 | The founder of Islam and history [259 words] | dhimmi no more | May 16, 2013 06:31 | 206080 | |
| 8 | If Mahomet was a terrorist and all Moslems want to be like Mahomet , then ... let's forget the politically correct ruse of "Islam vs. Islamism" . [109 words] | Ianus | May 18, 2013 02:21 | 206080 | |
| 4 | Slight correction [89 words] | dhimmi no more | May 18, 2013 06:01 | 206080 | |
| 1 | I encourage everyone to read Sirat Al-Rasul [174 words] | Reporter | May 19, 2013 04:17 | 206080 | |
| 9 | Islam, anti-blasphemy laws. the Benghazi atrocity and our leaders that are beyond help [410 words] | dhimmi no more | May 19, 2013 08:40 | 206080 | |
| 4 | Our dear reporter is saying that Muhammad was a warlord for only 10 years! What a disaster [966 words] | dhimmi no more | May 21, 2013 07:36 | 206080 | |
| 3 | And I encourage you our dear reporter to leave islam and the Arabs and their imperialism [63 words] | dhimmi no more | May 21, 2013 15:54 | 206080 | |
| 1 | Read the koran now [62 words] | Tom | May 22, 2013 19:41 | 206080 | |
| 1 | Ibn Is-haq and Ibn Hisham [96 words] | Reporter | May 25, 2013 02:04 | 206080 | |
| The truth is next to you [96 words] | Report | May 25, 2013 02:08 | 206080 | ||
| 2 | The victims of Arabian imperialism [354 words] | dhimmi no more | May 26, 2013 07:47 | 206080 | |
| 1 | Victims of Arabian imperialism [362 words] | dhimmi no more | May 26, 2013 08:01 | 206080 | |
| Al-Tableghee dhimmi ...... [22 words] | Reporter | May 27, 2013 02:25 | 206080 | ||
| 1 | Mr. Tabligheee [116 words] | Reporter | May 27, 2013 02:33 | 206080 | |
| 1 | pribed Tabligheeee [97 words] | Reporter | May 27, 2013 02:41 | 206080 | |
| 2 | Exposing ignorant tablighees and wannabe Arabs [312 words] | dhimmi no more | May 28, 2013 07:02 | 206080 | |
| 1 | Exposing ignorant tablighees and wannabe Arabs again [639 words] | dhimmi no more | May 28, 2013 07:59 | 206080 | |
| 3 | Lost tablighees and islam is the religion of the Arabs only [553 words] | dhimmi no more | May 30, 2013 07:20 | 206080 | |
| Not true [271 words] | Tom | Jun 14, 2013 13:50 | 206080 | ||
| Muhammad battles [917 words] | Reporter | Jun 16, 2013 16:23 | 206080 | ||
| 8 | the flaw in Pipe's argument [78 words] | Martin E. Weinstein | May 15, 2013 12:35 | 206076 | |
| 1 | organizing the majority against a minority in power [81 words] | myth | May 17, 2013 08:40 | 206076 | |
| 4 | Correct analysis, one false conclusion possibly [669 words] | Alexandros | May 15, 2013 05:51 | 206070 | |
| 2 | Islam or Islamism? [101 words] | Michal | May 15, 2013 04:34 | 206069 | |
| 4 | Peaceful military conquest? [178 words] | Hrishi | May 15, 2013 01:32 | 206068 | |
| 2 | Islam's Two Futures are Related to Islam and Islamism [260 words] | Randall B | May 15, 2013 01:01 | 206065 | |
| 4 | The West not to blame for Islamism [236 words] | M Taylor | May 14, 2013 23:35 | 206062 | |
| 7 | Christianism and Islamism [436 words] | There is NO Santa Claus | May 14, 2013 23:30 | 206061 | |
| for 'NO Santa Claus' [56 words] | Randall B | May 16, 2013 02:31 | 206061 | ||
| 2 | weak comparison [198 words] | Tom | May 17, 2013 14:25 | 206061 | |
| Could Muslims themselves in big numbers not realise their chance of winning in the West is remote and change? [357 words] | Demolan | May 14, 2013 22:48 | 206059 | ||
| 2 | We keep waiting for the 85% moderate moderate muslims to speak out against islamism. [25 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Phil Greend | May 14, 2013 21:08 | 206056 | |
| 2 | On who does the onus fall? [73 words] | Prashant | May 16, 2013 12:20 | 206056 | |
| 6 | Moderate vs Radical Islamists [91 words] | akt | May 17, 2013 21:07 | 206056 | |
| 3 | Islamic Believers versus the Lukewarm [244 words] | J Glueck | May 14, 2013 19:20 | 206055 | |
| 4 | America and Islamism - friends for ever [134 words] | Ianus | May 18, 2013 08:38 | 206055 | |
| 3 | In what do Islamists differ from Muhammad? [44 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Mladen Andrijasevic | May 14, 2013 17:06 | 206054 | |
| Mohammad reflected the mores of his times [93 words] | Prashant | May 16, 2013 12:14 | 206054 | ||
| Interesting [39 words] | Hamza | May 8, 2015 16:33 | 206054 | ||
| Serious Discussion [59 words] | Nick | May 14, 2013 11:59 | 206051 | ||
| thanks and then some [309 words] | john w. mcginley | May 14, 2013 07:59 | 206040 | ||
| 9 | There is only one Islam and it is not pretty [232 words] | dhimmi no more | May 14, 2013 07:12 | 206039 | |
| 2 | islamization yes or no [106 words] | myth | May 14, 2013 05:46 | 206035 | |
| 1 | more distinctions in the islamic spectrum, more tactics needed [425 words] | myth | May 14, 2013 05:15 | 206034 | |
| How do you define moderate Islam? Doesnt moderation often lead to apostasy as Muslims,not just Islamists fear? [169 words] | Shishir | May 14, 2013 03:25 | 206032 | ||
| Moderation [57 words] | AAA | May 18, 2013 23:44 | 206032 | ||
| 1 | Islam vs Jihadism [147 words] | Dean Mohr | May 14, 2013 00:49 | 206027 | |
| 25 | It is just a Double Paradox [129 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Michael Hanni Morcos | May 14, 2013 00:45 | 206026 | |
| 20 | How Many were Against Hitler during the Holocaust? [20 words] | Michael Hanni Morcos | May 16, 2013 09:23 | 206026 | |
| 5 | I disagree, Mr. Morcos [180 words] | There is NO Santa Claus | May 17, 2013 08:02 | 206026 | |
| 7 | the Nazi paradox remains stunning [127 words] | myth | May 17, 2013 16:45 | 206026 | |
| 22 | I respectfully disagree [132 words] | Michael Hanni Morcos | May 18, 2013 04:41 | 206026 | |
| 7 | A lesson from Mom [110 words] | Michael Hanni Morcos | May 18, 2013 20:25 | 206026 | |
| 3 | Most non-Islamist Muslims are not anti-Islamists [64 words] | Arthur Cohn | May 14, 2013 00:15 | 206024 | |
| Why moderates do not condemn radicals [91 words] | Gato Branco | May 22, 2013 04:19 | 206024 | ||
| 4 | History, when wrong, must be criticized [516 words] | Prashant | May 13, 2013 23:50 | 206023 | |
| 3 | integration of Muslims into western society's concept of government, [424 words] | rodney allsworth | May 13, 2013 23:14 | 206022 | |
| 1 | Solution to Islamism [20 words] | Gary Clarke | May 13, 2013 21:48 | 206017 | |
| Defeating Islamism [12 words] | Clifford Ishii | May 13, 2013 21:48 | 206016 | ||
| 2 | Accurate analysis. [137 words] | Lucretius | May 13, 2013 18:54 | 206010 | |
| 32 | Almost getting there, and then the familiar U-turn [1127 words] | Ron Thompson | May 13, 2013 16:43 | 206008 | |
| 4 | Dear Ron I applaud your insight [84 words] | Bruria Rimoni | May 13, 2013 23:03 | 206008 | |
| 5 |  The Perfect Argument ... Q.E.D. [48 words] | Domenic Pepe | May 14, 2013 11:57 | 206008 | |
| 5 | There is nothing called 'Islamism', only 'Islam' [189 words] | K T Thomas | May 15, 2013 11:35 | 206008 | |
| 2 | Thank you [175 words] | Ron Thompson | May 16, 2013 21:01 | 206008 | |
| 6 | A Good Muslim according to us is a Bad Muslim according to Islam [541 words] | Ron Thompson | May 16, 2013 23:54 | 206008 | |
| Exactly, Ron [41 words] | stanley b | May 17, 2013 23:31 | 206008 | ||
| 1 | Can citizens not be asked to live in countries practicing the political societal system they are loyal too? [510 words] | Demolan | May 18, 2013 02:36 | 206008 | |
| 5 | Very Hard [18 words] | Michael Hanni Morcos | May 18, 2013 19:45 | 206008 | |
| 12 | Symptom or disease? [150 words] | Doug Mayfield | May 13, 2013 15:21 | 206007 | |
| 5 | The crisis of faith isn't new: [134 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Jason Pappas | May 13, 2013 14:19 | 206004 | |
| 69 | The Killer Answer to Defeating islam itself [546 words] | Domenic Pepe | May 13, 2013 14:11 | 206003 | |
| 1 | war on all Islam ? [59 words] | gary Clarke | May 14, 2013 00:32 | 206003 | |
| 5 | agree! [347 words] | Tom | May 14, 2013 11:36 | 206003 | |
| 2 | The defeat of the devil on earth [15 words] | Albert Shanker | May 15, 2013 00:04 | 206003 | |
| 1 | On the Parallel with Nazi Germany and Japanese Militarism [172 words] | Ron Thompson | May 16, 2013 20:41 | 206003 | |
| 1 | DEFEAT ISLAM WITH TRUTH. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY. [388 words] | Mark | May 29, 2013 02:11 | 206003 | |
| DEFEAT ISLAM WITH TRUTH. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY. [11 words] | Mark | Jun 3, 2013 21:23 | 206003 | ||
| What truth [73 words] | sleepless | Jun 13, 2013 20:59 | 206003 | ||
| Truth is not relative! [229 words] | Tom | Jun 18, 2013 14:16 | 206003 | ||
| Facing Reality: Defeating Totalitarian Islam [30 words] | mbplee | Jul 18, 2013 04:31 | 206003 | ||
| 1 | Defeating Islam or Islamism? Neither! [176 words] | Prashant | Jul 19, 2013 02:24 | 206003 | |
| 1 | Extirpate the Evil Inherent in islam itself [148 words] | Domenic Pepe | Jul 20, 2013 17:04 | 206003 | |
| Islam [184 words] | Jim Jennings | Nov 28, 2013 19:39 | 206003 | ||
| islam compared to nazism [88 words] | Bruno | Dec 7, 2013 05:38 | 206003 | ||
| 3 | islam is like nazism because ..... [123 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Domenic Pepe | Dec 9, 2013 00:03 | 206003 | |
| Agree [7 words] | Leo | Aug 18, 2014 08:05 | 206003 | ||
| 6 | Islam vs. Islamism [142 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Gunther H. Sciff | May 13, 2013 13:47 | 206002 | |
| 1 | Great analysis [59 words] | Bruce Birnberg | May 13, 2013 12:56 | 206001 | |
| 4 | Not even as simple as Dr Pipes complicated position [124 words] | M.Orbuch | May 13, 2013 12:55 | 206000 | |
| 7 | Islam by any other name is anti-reason [316 words] | Edward Cline | May 13, 2013 12:51 | 205999 | |
| 2 | Interesting point Edward Cline [169 words] | sara | May 13, 2013 19:34 | 205999 | |
| 4 | Reply to Sara [337 words] | Edward Cline | May 13, 2013 20:24 | 205999 | |
| Catholicism has political power [46 words] | thomas | May 14, 2013 05:59 | 205999 | ||
| And to prove the opposite? [250 words] | Lynn | May 14, 2013 09:20 | 205999 | ||
| 1 | More moderate than Islam assuredly [151 words] | sara | May 16, 2013 00:26 | 205999 | |
| 1 | "Islamism" is but part of a dimension [183 words] | Michael Vanyukov | May 13, 2013 12:12 | 205998 | |
| 4 | Islam vs Islamism! The cameleon! [89 words] | Steven L | May 13, 2013 11:56 | 205997 | |
| 1 | How to defeat islamism [191 words] | Lars Nielsen | May 14, 2013 04:27 | 205997 | |
| 3 | Islam and its byproduct Islamism [107 words] | Steven L | May 16, 2013 11:20 | 205997 | |
| How to defeat Islam(ism) ?! [131 words] | nightcry | Apr 22, 2017 12:44 | 205997 | ||
| Answer to nightcry [147 words] | Lars Nielsen | Apr 24, 2017 06:13 | 205997 | ||
| Completely agree but... [152 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Lory | May 13, 2013 11:56 | 205996 | ||
| 3 | Ah, The Killer Question... [224 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Soloview | May 13, 2013 11:05 | 205995 | |
| 10 | Who with sane mind wants to live in a Moslem state? [50 words] | NuritG | May 13, 2013 11:01 | 205994 | |
| 1 | I concur , Islam is the problem [5 words] | Thomas | May 14, 2013 06:03 | 205994 | |
| Occam's razor!! [35 words] | Jaladhi | May 18, 2013 18:12 | 205994 | ||
| 1 | Distributions need to be understood [386 words] | Amit Srivastava | May 13, 2013 10:48 | 205993 | |
| 2 | Where are the "moderates." [70 words] | Carey Page | May 13, 2013 10:27 | 205992 | |
| 2 | Hope is not a strategy for change [101 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Barry Wolfe | May 13, 2013 10:27 | 205991 | |
| 3 | "what went wrong" [158 words] | Tom | May 13, 2013 10:18 | 205989 | |
| 6 | There is only one Islam - and it must go, it really must go [700 words] | TL Winslow | May 13, 2013 10:11 | 205988 | |
| 16 | What differentiates Islam from other religions [188 words] | G Marcus | May 13, 2013 10:07 | 205987 | |
| Comparison between Islam and Christiany [28 words] | Thomas | May 14, 2013 06:07 | 205987 | ||
| 3 | Doubt enough Thomas? [82 words] | Tom | May 17, 2013 23:19 | 205987 | |
| 9 | Several polls have shown that a plurality of Moslems support the radicals [189 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | David S | May 13, 2013 10:00 | 205986 | |
| 1 | IFF - Identify Friend or Foe. Support friend, fight foe. [477 words] | Yeshayhu Hollander | May 13, 2013 09:57 | 205985 |
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