Our dear Clearing and does the word islam mean peace?

Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Aug 25, 2008 at 07:07

Our dear Clearing rabina yusafi al-ashya' lahu wrote

>First and foremost, i will not beat nor bash you for your comments and opnion.

Maybe but let me guess you would love and to quote you: "beat and bash you" am I right?

>its freedom of speech of course and you have every right.

Oh freedom of speech! Really? then why do Muslims protest the Muhammad cartoons?

> I won't lecture you nor bore you to death.

You can try

> I just want to clear one thing, Islam is a peaceful reilgon, how. you misunderstood the so called "killing" i will clear up now.

Islam is the religion of peace?Really? You could have fooled me then how do you explain al-Futuh al-Islamiyya all the way to the 9/11 atrocity?

Technically Muslims are not allowed to kill, its forbidden.

Really? I love it when tablighees tell us "technically" and this topos number one. Well let me take 3 verses at random:

1. Q9:111 (oh and a reminder of the 9/11 atrocity): the believers will go to Allah's heaven if they yuqatiluna fi sabeel allah fayaqtluna wa yuqtaluna

So your Arabian Allah is saying that Muslims must fight in the cause of Allah, and it does not say that these Muslims are fighting to protect themselves and their homes and famlies, and then those fighting in the cause of Allah must kill and be killed and you come here and tell us that your Allah does not tell you to go out and kill?

2. Q9:29: where your Allah tells you to go out and fight ahl al-kitab or your Jewish, Christian (and if you believe that poor historian Karen Armstrong) and Hindus and Buddhists until Islam supreme religion. I do not see anything about your bogus about only fighting to protect you and your family and home. So do you paln to fight your co-citizens our dear Clearing?

And how much are Muslims charging for the Jizya tax these days and if I tell Muslims that I know our dear Clearing would I get a discount on my jizya?

3. Last and this is the basis of islamic jihad or holy war (See Malik's Kitab al-Jihad) and that is Q2:216: kutiba 3alykum al-qital or (holy) fighting is ordained for you. Your Arabian Allah is telling you to go out and fight in his name oh let me see so he and his rasul can get 1/5 of he loot collected from infidels (Q8:41) Shame

So you see your claim is bogus

>Do you know the Muhammed Ali story? he refused to go to war for that reason.

Muhammad Ali is a coward and I have no respect for him. Get over it

>Whats happening now is different. When are Muslims killing?

The question should be where would we find Muslims that do not kill?

>Do you mean 9/11 cuz there is no hard evidence that it has been done by Muslims.

Another conspiracy theorist! But again if you can believe that an Arabian warlord and caravan raider and polygamist and child molester spoke to an Arabian deity via an angel then you can believe anything. Oh did you know that Allah spoke to me too via an angel and his name is gabriel?

Shame on you for uttering this nonsense and you have no respect for those killed in cold blood by Islamo-fascists

> Even if it was,

Yes it was.

> can you accuse all muslims of violence and terror cuz one group of person has done wrong? because i know many, Jews, Christians..etc that have done wrong yet the cannot be the ones for blame.

Hint 1: I do not know of any thing in Christianity or Judaism where their followers are told to go out and fight in the cause of their Gods. Islam? that is a different story.

Hint 2: That psychopath Mohamed Atta knew his Islam and was following the teachings of islam about jihad. You? You are either ignorant or you are a liar so which one is it?

> Another thing Jihad, means if you die, while fighting for your belief (say in war, or someone comes to rob your home and you die protecting your family) then its considered Jihad.

Bogus. Just read Q9:29, Q2:216 and Q9:111 and you will change your mind. But congtatulations our dear Clearing as you are saying that Jihad is really holy war.

Oh I forgot: why did the Arabs invade the Middle East and beyond in 633CE?

> Jihad can be considered as a martyr but literally it means inner struggle.

Oh the good old mujahid. But no it does not. The word jihad means holy war and the word ijtihad means strive to improve and you do not know your Arabic

>Through Ramadan where Muslims fast, or if your going through trouble times such as work, financially, family or any way its considered jihad.

No it is not. It is a ritual to please a deity that is so insecure that it is not even funny.

>People misinterpret that because they think killing some one is jihad.

Bogus. qatil fi sabeel Allah is jihad or killing in the cause of Allah is what a holy war is all about

>I hope I cleared things up and you can understand Islam is a peaceful religon.

Jainsim is peaceful, Buddhism is peaceful. Islam? That is a different story

> Islam mans Peace in Arabic,

Bogus and shame on you for saying that. The word salam and islam might come from the same root SLM but they belong to very different stems and if you are correct, which you are not, then salam (peace) and islam (the religion of Islam) and istislam (surrendering) and istilam (receiving) are one and the same. Shame on you

>and please keep in mind if a group of people did something wrong I can't stereotype the religon of those people, if the world worked that way. We would be filled with violence, murder and chaos. Thank you for your time and I hope you understood what I tried to get across

Islamic gobbledygook. I urge you to abandon islam and be whole again

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