There is nothing spiritual about Islam

Submitted by muhammad (United Kingdom), Feb 28, 2010 at 12:38

hello, glad somebody has responded. i thought people would probably not bother as its a bit difficult to understand. i would like to request that whomever reads this opens the eyes of his mind (one who is open-minded) which is found in the heart.

im sorry my views don't agree with your views, but then thats the nature of life. people will have different points of views and ideas about the same topic. people will have different perceptions of things too. this isn't a problem. but i find that to reach a common understanding, one should try at least to try and put himself in the other sides shoes to see what he sees. one should also try to keep discussion respectful and hurt free. i can take that though but many people cannot because disrespecting something of their own will bring no result. if you understand the dog example ive given you, you would hopefully understand this.

anyway. i would like to make things clear too, that no i am not tablighi muslim. in fact, we have migrated from the greek orthodox run country to a much nicer place. London. at least here nobody tries to force their faith onto general public. that is spiritual. respect and understanding is a spiritual term because it does not come from the physical world. you cannot really argue that because what i see in terms of enlightment and spirituallity isn't necessarily true to your understanding of enlightenment and spirituality.

dont mind me saying here that no i am a non arabic speaker but i guess i am common with some arabic terms because of media attention. but i would like to make some basic concepts in arabic clear to you that i've learnt from my christian, muslim and jewish freinds.

Allah is not my allah. Allah is the same god that jesus christ the messiah son of mary tried enlighting people to. the same god that moses himself preached and was sent "revelations" from. in fact the word Allah means God. its not a name like shiva or krishna. God means Allah. you will also find that in both the jewish and christian holy books in arabic, God is defined as Allah. so maybe there is some misunderstanding here of the basic conceptual god in these 3 religions.

Also Excuse me here but i would also like to clarify a few things that maybe aren't that clear to alot of people that misunderstand others. i think it is also necessary to discuss these issues under the light of seeking knowledge, keeping the naturual human instinct of respect and dignification rather than abuse, hatred and offence. then hopefully we shall come to an understanding ?

Firstly i think you will find that the revelations according to christian and jewish writers about islam was beleived to be sent to muhammad before he had any social status. in fact he wasn't very known on the towns scale. one thing he was known for was. al sadiqul ameen. which i beleive is a nickname his town had given him which translates to the truthful, the trustworthy. only because he was the person that the arabs used to go to to leave stock, goods, and valueable things because he was known only for keeping these things for their owners even for long periods of time. just like we go to banks today. what assures us that the money we give them to look after and keep safe will not go ? only their "name" or image makes us do this. we know we can trust them. otherwise some banks with no name can go bankrupt and will loose your money and you cannot do anything about this.

autul sayf and all these terms you've mentioned are conditional, i would advise you read them in their context. just like any truthful critical thinker should do.

free again ? imperialism? to my understanding the western socialites are bringers of imperialism, slavery, and all other harmful concepts that have affected the world negativily till this date. the likes of capitalism, environmental harm, world wars, weapon testings, bankrupsy, sexual discrimination, sexual harasment, racial abuse, bullying, single mothers, guentanamo, jews arab conflict, materialism (santas chrismass etc), social suicide, government assasinations, ownerships, power, military, cancer, aids, katrina, haiti, bin laden, celebrety druggies as role models, nudity, obesety, atmospheric radiations, scientific chaos, athiesm, peadofelia, transexuality, phobias, orgies, alkoholism, drug abuse, mass murder, hitler, stalin, saddam, bush, heart failures, ilnesses caused strictly from eating pig flesh (which jesus himself also had adviced not to). and others

i hope i did not offend anyone with this list but im sorry these problems had never accured at the times of muhammad, in fact social problems were alot minor compared to today.. To my understanding, someone as muhammad that used non of the physical means, had changed the world, till this day he is changing peoples lives and is bringing brothers and sisters together for the sake of love and understanding, cannot have been simply a physical being. He was light in a spiritual sence. if this doesn't make you understand spirituality objectly, then i think it will be hard trying to change that within email means.

i think one who is not a slave to his creator, is slave to his creations. slave to his own thoughts, desires, ego, power, lies, perceptions, systems, work, wife, money, goverment, control, business, greed, deciet and all these dieties. in my view, one can escape these and become at peace by connecting with the true diety, not physicially, but spiritually. your heart isn't just made to pump up ur blood. that is the physical heart. there is also a spiritual heart, if you cannot sence that, it's only because you don't have the sence for it, you cannot see it and feel it . but this doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

the fact that you fall ill, you die, you breath, you walk, you speak, perhaps shows the ones of heart, that you will always be slave to something you cannot be free of these basic needs. so be slave to something higher than this. God himself. you will not reach him till you seek him.

i hope that this has manifested the least of spirituality in your heart. if not then we have different views, and i understand yours and hopefully you understand mines. if not then thats the explaination of "god guides whome ever wishes" meaning whome ever wishing to be guided, not what you've said to me "guides whom ever he wants" the arabic translation of that is god guides whome ever "he" wants meaning whome ever he ( the subject) wants guidance.

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