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There is nothing spiritual about Islam

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Submitted by muhammad (United Kingdom), Feb 28, 2010 at 12:38

hello, glad somebody has responded. i thought people would probably not bother as its a bit difficult to understand. i would like to request that whomever reads this opens the eyes of his mind (one who is open-minded) which is found in the heart.

im sorry my views don't agree with your views, but then thats the nature of life. people will have different points of views and ideas about the same topic. people will have different perceptions of things too. this isn't a problem. but i find that to reach a common understanding, one should try at least to try and put himself in the other sides shoes to see what he sees. one should also try to keep discussion respectful and hurt free. i can take that though but many people cannot because disrespecting something of their own will bring no result. if you understand the dog example ive given you, you would hopefully understand this.

anyway. i would like to make things clear too, that no i am not tablighi muslim. in fact, we have migrated from the greek orthodox run country to a much nicer place. London. at least here nobody tries to force their faith onto general public. that is spiritual. respect and understanding is a spiritual term because it does not come from the physical world. you cannot really argue that because what i see in terms of enlightment and spirituallity isn't necessarily true to your understanding of enlightenment and spirituality.

dont mind me saying here that no i am a non arabic speaker but i guess i am common with some arabic terms because of media attention. but i would like to make some basic concepts in arabic clear to you that i've learnt from my christian, muslim and jewish freinds.

Allah is not my allah. Allah is the same god that jesus christ the messiah son of mary tried enlighting people to. the same god that moses himself preached and was sent "revelations" from. in fact the word Allah means God. its not a name like shiva or krishna. God means Allah. you will also find that in both the jewish and christian holy books in arabic, God is defined as Allah. so maybe there is some misunderstanding here of the basic conceptual god in these 3 religions.

Also Excuse me here but i would also like to clarify a few things that maybe aren't that clear to alot of people that misunderstand others. i think it is also necessary to discuss these issues under the light of seeking knowledge, keeping the naturual human instinct of respect and dignification rather than abuse, hatred and offence. then hopefully we shall come to an understanding ?

Firstly i think you will find that the revelations according to christian and jewish writers about islam was beleived to be sent to muhammad before he had any social status. in fact he wasn't very known on the towns scale. one thing he was known for was. al sadiqul ameen. which i beleive is a nickname his town had given him which translates to the truthful, the trustworthy. only because he was the person that the arabs used to go to to leave stock, goods, and valueable things because he was known only for keeping these things for their owners even for long periods of time. just like we go to banks today. what assures us that the money we give them to look after and keep safe will not go ? only their "name" or image makes us do this. we know we can trust them. otherwise some banks with no name can go bankrupt and will loose your money and you cannot do anything about this.

autul sayf and all these terms you've mentioned are conditional, i would advise you read them in their context. just like any truthful critical thinker should do.

free again ? imperialism? to my understanding the western socialites are bringers of imperialism, slavery, and all other harmful concepts that have affected the world negativily till this date. the likes of capitalism, environmental harm, world wars, weapon testings, bankrupsy, sexual discrimination, sexual harasment, racial abuse, bullying, single mothers, guentanamo, jews arab conflict, materialism (santas chrismass etc), social suicide, government assasinations, ownerships, power, military, cancer, aids, katrina, haiti, bin laden, celebrety druggies as role models, nudity, obesety, atmospheric radiations, scientific chaos, athiesm, peadofelia, transexuality, phobias, orgies, alkoholism, drug abuse, mass murder, hitler, stalin, saddam, bush, heart failures, ilnesses caused strictly from eating pig flesh (which jesus himself also had adviced not to). and others

i hope i did not offend anyone with this list but im sorry these problems had never accured at the times of muhammad, in fact social problems were alot minor compared to today.. To my understanding, someone as muhammad that used non of the physical means, had changed the world, till this day he is changing peoples lives and is bringing brothers and sisters together for the sake of love and understanding, cannot have been simply a physical being. He was light in a spiritual sence. if this doesn't make you understand spirituality objectly, then i think it will be hard trying to change that within email means.

i think one who is not a slave to his creator, is slave to his creations. slave to his own thoughts, desires, ego, power, lies, perceptions, systems, work, wife, money, goverment, control, business, greed, deciet and all these dieties. in my view, one can escape these and become at peace by connecting with the true diety, not physicially, but spiritually. your heart isn't just made to pump up ur blood. that is the physical heart. there is also a spiritual heart, if you cannot sence that, it's only because you don't have the sence for it, you cannot see it and feel it . but this doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

the fact that you fall ill, you die, you breath, you walk, you speak, perhaps shows the ones of heart, that you will always be slave to something you cannot be free of these basic needs. so be slave to something higher than this. God himself. you will not reach him till you seek him.

i hope that this has manifested the least of spirituality in your heart. if not then we have different views, and i understand yours and hopefully you understand mines. if not then thats the explaination of "god guides whome ever wishes" meaning whome ever wishing to be guided, not what you've said to me "guides whom ever he wants" the arabic translation of that is god guides whome ever "he" wants meaning whome ever he ( the subject) wants guidance.

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Strict Punishment [55 words]melvin polatnickJun 25, 2010 11:40174823
och the game of those naughty naughty infidel!! [65 words]seraphimeJun 21, 2010 03:58174612
If pulling other people tooths considered sharia, that's bs.... [52 words]FajriAug 24, 2009 23:44160609
freedom in Islam? [154 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanAug 26, 2009 17:18160609
Blind following of any doctrine is a path to disaster. [233 words]GeorgePSep 4, 2009 04:28160609
Sharia Law is a set of laws [169 words]FajriSep 5, 2009 00:16160609
freedom in following Islam [95 words]FajriSep 5, 2009 00:31160609
sharia IS for losers [353 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanSep 8, 2009 05:49160609
get over it [248 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanSep 8, 2009 06:04160609
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Islam running rampant [99 words]Rebecca MouldsAug 17, 2009 09:42160312
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Islam at its best ? Islam at its worse ? , no, ..Islam at its average ! [134 words]Phil GreendAug 14, 2009 10:23160198
false of daniel pipes [49 words]imySep 8, 2009 19:11160198
imy's claim... [29 words]KlewSep 9, 2009 00:18160198
Very Well said, Phil- about this islam. [39 words]SvetSep 9, 2009 03:10160198
Another victim of Arabian imperialism and ignorance [373 words]dhimmi no moreSep 9, 2009 07:13160198
Well, this is not surprising. [163 words]LynnAug 13, 2009 08:23160144
Am I surprised ? Not at all ! [98 words]Anne-Marie DelcambreAug 13, 2009 04:51160138
Delcambre [98 words]VijayAug 14, 2009 06:15160138
to follow the Sunna of Mohammed [58 words]Anne-Marie DelcambreAug 14, 2009 22:09160138
the way forward? [340 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanAug 15, 2009 00:38160138
Ideal Muslim [48 words]VijayAug 16, 2009 13:50160138
doing as Muhammad said, not as he did [249 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanAug 16, 2009 17:24160138
doing as Muhammad said AND as he did ! [46 words]Anne-Marie DelcambreAug 16, 2009 21:09160138
The sunna of Muhammad [446 words]dhimmi no moreAug 20, 2009 07:20160138
the sunna of muhammad [758 words]muhammadFeb 26, 2010 09:35160138
There is nothing spiritual about Islam [413 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 27, 2010 07:48160138
There is nothing spiritual about Islam [1115 words]muhammadFeb 28, 2010 12:38160138
Our dear Muhammad says that there is nothing spritual about Islam and cherry picking time [279 words]dhimmi no moreMar 1, 2010 18:44160138
More cherry picking and this time our dear Muhammad al-tablighee says that he ain't no Arab in-spite of the fact that the Qur'an says that Islam is the religion of the Hijazi Arabs only [277 words]dhimmi no moreMar 1, 2010 19:31160138
More from our dear Muhammad [98 words]dhimmi no moreMar 1, 2010 19:35160138
Our dear Muhammad and his God says that al-tabligh wa al-da3wa al-islamiyya are against his doctrine of al-qada' wa al-qadr [501 words]dhimmi no moreMar 2, 2010 07:14160138
Gem time and our dear Muhammad and two for the price of one [384 words]dhimmi no moreMar 2, 2010 16:36160138
Our dear Muhammad and two for the price of one and it seems that Islamic da3wa is against Allah's will astaghfirullah part deux [217 words]dhimmi no moreMar 6, 2010 07:48160138
Respect [451 words]muhammadMar 10, 2010 08:29160138
Respect is earned now do you get it? [658 words]dhimmi no moreMar 13, 2010 17:58160138
no no no. respect is an attribute that YOU need to have [584 words]muhammadMar 13, 2010 21:02160138
A tablighee is a tablighee [34 words]dhimmi no moreMar 15, 2010 07:26160138
Our dear Muhammad has nothing to say right our dear Muhammad? [250 words]dhimmi no moreMar 15, 2010 18:40160138
Our dear Muhammad and the "Allah made me do it" and more cherry picking [235 words]dhimmi no moreMar 16, 2010 07:23160138
there is nothing to say about islam, but lots to say about you [508 words]muhammadMar 19, 2010 08:45160138
I thank Allah for making me a kafir big time [393 words]dhimmi no moreMar 20, 2010 18:35160138
More cherry picking time that islam is the religion of the Hijazi Arabs only and other sordid matters [791 words]dhimmi no moreMar 21, 2010 08:31160138
Cherry picking time and "Allah made me do it" [194 words]dhimmi no moreMar 21, 2010 08:51160138
i will spell it out for you [135 words]muhammadMar 22, 2010 08:49160138
Our dear Muhammad has nothing to say [153 words]dhimmi no moreMar 23, 2010 06:37160138
So what did we learn from you our dear Muhammad al-tablighee? [7 words]DaveJul 12, 2010 16:02160138

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