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Reader comment on item: Is Turkey Going Rogue?
in response to reader comment: Let's listen to the Jews for a change
Submitted by Jon (United States), Oct 6, 2011 at 18:35
"Now this idyllic picture outlined by a Turk"
Did I call you a Jew (assuming you are ) in the same tone you called me a Turk? No. Calm down.
I frankly do not trust your sources. Mine are in fact not Turkish: they come mostly from Bernard Lewis, a British-American historian of Jewish descent.
Modern politics is distorting your historical analysis. What is the point in arguing with you? Especially when you already believe that Turks ...
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| 1 | Nuclear Turkey? [215 words] | Alexandros | Jan 10, 2014 10:59 | 212563 |
| 1 | always someone elses fault. [68 words] | batya dagan | Jun 29, 2012 10:19 | 196820 | |
| The naivety sucks. [359 words] | IamJoseph | Jun 27, 2012 20:15 | 196768 | ||
| 3 | Australian Situation [206 words] | Garry Lockwood | Oct 20, 2011 19:19 | 190211 | |
| Turks are redefining the legacy of the Ottomans [155 words] | Mohammad Mansoor Ali Ansari | Oct 14, 2011 02:57 | 190019 | ||
| 1 |  New Definition of Ottoman Turkey Does Not Include Israel [244 words] | M. Tovey | Oct 18, 2011 12:54 | 190019 | |
| 5 | Turkey going to Medieval way [226 words] | Muslimk*** | Oct 26, 2011 04:02 | 190019 | |
| 3 | Turkish Leadership to New World Order [74 words] | sephardi | Oct 12, 2011 18:47 | 189995 | |
| correction [18 words] | Ayla Kosebey | Oct 11, 2011 02:36 | 189949 | ||
| 6 | Going Rogue! [21 words] | trans-parere | Oct 7, 2011 20:07 | 189907 | |
| 11 | Turkish translation [17 words] | Ayla Kosebey | Oct 6, 2011 03:01 | 189870 | |
| 15 | Dear Mr Tim Lock - ... [505 words] | Sinbad the Sailor | Oct 3, 2011 19:13 | 189818 | |
| Thank you for the letter [304 words] | Tim Lock (not e) | Oct 4, 2011 14:05 | 189818 | ||
| JUST a reminder [56 words] | Wlad The Great | Jul 30, 2012 20:35 | 189818 | ||
| 1 | Seeing Details [50 words] | Jay1 | Oct 2, 2011 19:58 | 189787 | |
| 9 | Defying all the rules of law and risking war [272 words] | Dan B. | Sep 30, 2011 23:37 | 189754 |
| 3 | Blind parrot talk par excellence [153 words] | Tim Lock | Oct 2, 2011 15:10 | 189754 | |
| 1 | Turkey's Intentions - Words or Deeds [29 words] | M. Tovey | Oct 3, 2011 19:12 | 189754 | |
| 3 | Muslim "Waters" [42 words] | Joe Six-Pack | Oct 7, 2011 13:19 | 189754 | |
| 2 | yaşasın türkiye [254 words] | havas | Sep 29, 2011 18:00 | 189710 | |
| 8 | Havas' comments on Turkey and Israel [237 words] | Prashant | Oct 1, 2011 00:31 | 189710 | |
| 1 | Havas does represent the average Turkish people [217 words] | Tim Lock | Oct 2, 2011 15:26 | 189710 | |
| 2 | Long Life in Turkey Remains to be Seen [300 words] | M. Tovey | Oct 4, 2011 19:14 | 189710 | |
| Tim Lock: Your views are fantasies. [229 words] | Turkcekonusanamerikali | Oct 27, 2011 20:36 | 189710 | ||
| 16 | PM of Turkey is a Person who deceived EU and USA [196 words] | Hamma Mirwaisi | Sep 29, 2011 11:12 | 189697 | |
| 6 | Prove that or Take back... [93 words] | Tim Lock | Sep 29, 2011 17:28 | 189697 | |
| 7 | Turkish Strike Kills Family In Iraqi Kurdistan [270 words] | Hamma Mirwaisi | Sep 29, 2011 20:03 | 189697 | |
| 2 | Turkish Hitler [79 words] | Blackfeather | Sep 30, 2011 11:32 | 189697 | |
| 2 | Thank you I wont buy Kurdish News Agency news based on PKK spokesman [36 words] | Tim Lock | Oct 2, 2011 15:34 | 189697 | |
| 1 | Hiter apologist [7 words] | Kerry | Oct 3, 2011 07:42 | 189697 | |
| 1 | Congratulations Tim [26 words] | İdris Sarı | Oct 4, 2011 21:37 | 189697 | |
| your link is also groundless like your comment [101 words] | İdris Sarı | Oct 4, 2011 21:44 | 189697 | ||
| 4 | I really like your posts [432 words] | Turkcekonusanamerikali | Oct 27, 2011 14:43 | 189697 | |
| to türkçekonuşanamerikalı [591 words] | havas | Oct 30, 2011 07:21 | 189697 | ||
| 1 | Reply to Havas [124 words] | Turckce konusanamerikali | Nov 3, 2011 17:49 | 189697 | |
| 3 | Reply to Havas [416 words] | Turckce konusanamerikali | Nov 3, 2011 19:08 | 189697 | |
| Sedat Ergin comment on Turkey's treat ment of its "brotherly" Kurds. [177 words] | Turkcekonusanamerikali | Nov 5, 2011 10:49 | 189697 | ||
| 3 | Info on Jewish-Kurdish genetics from Wikipedia [337 words] | Turkcekonusanamerikali | Nov 5, 2011 11:09 | 189697 | |
| Iran's Delusions. Are they Turkey's [203 words] | Turkcekonusanamerikali | Nov 10, 2011 15:20 | 189697 | ||
| Opportunity [6 words] | Costas | Nov 14, 2011 14:54 | 189697 | ||
| 4 | Me, Mr. Erdogan? [395 words] | Tim Lock | Sep 28, 2011 19:43 | 189675 | |
| 2 | What you do what you say [77 words] | Taner Mersin | Sep 29, 2011 01:44 | 189675 | |
| 4 | Erdogan and Psychoanalysis [42 words] | Mark D | Sep 29, 2011 22:22 | 189675 | |
| 2 | ... Tim [60 words] | Kerry | Oct 3, 2011 07:49 | 189675 | |
| Just a partiel fact but I see most have no idea [33 words] | Tim Lock | Oct 4, 2011 14:08 | 189675 | ||
| 1 | Tiresome Tim [31 words] | Kerry | Oct 4, 2011 19:06 | 189675 | |
| 1 | Mendatious Myopic Tim [4 words] | Kerry | Oct 8, 2011 09:41 | 189675 | |
| 2 | really? [71 words] | Peter Hall | Nov 9, 2011 01:53 | 189675 | |
| 8 | 160,000 sq. mi. Muslim lake? [358 words] | Art J. | Sep 28, 2011 18:19 | 189670 | |
| 4 | Art J is right [176 words] | Prashant | Sep 28, 2011 20:32 | 189670 | |
| fear is the path to war [113 words] | Selami Zorlu | Sep 29, 2011 05:51 | 189670 | ||
| Prashant [10 words] | Kerry | Oct 3, 2011 07:53 | 189670 | ||
| 6 | so Turks have bought new cars [354 words] | Selami Zorlu | Sep 28, 2011 18:11 | 189669 | |
| 2 | Power struggles [84 words] | Rebecca Moulds | Sep 28, 2011 17:11 | 189667 | |
| 1 | An economic initiative to resolve most of the problems. [102 words] | Samir | Sep 28, 2011 17:01 | 189665 | |
| 3 | A problem [121 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Jack Kalpakian | Sep 28, 2011 09:56 | 189647 | |
| 1 | turks became muslims and then... [42 words] | L. Manohar | Sep 28, 2011 07:22 | 189641 | |
| 2 | Plunder is not an available tool any more [161 words] | Prashant | Sep 28, 2011 20:44 | 189641 | |
| 2 | Violent methods of Turkey? [48 words] | Tim Lock | Oct 2, 2011 16:40 | 189641 | |
| 2 | Hubris and revanchism is a poor basis for a foreign policy [208 words] | jon | Sep 28, 2011 07:21 | 189640 | |
| 6 | What do you mean ROGUE? You mean Turkey is not dancing to every tune regardless how wrong the policies are? [218 words] | Mark | Sep 28, 2011 02:41 | 189632 | |
| 1 | Your opinion has support at the highest level. [131 words] | Turkcekonusanamerikali | Nov 19, 2011 16:44 | 189632 | |
| The major Issue is not Turkey as the Isreal the real problem. [197 words] | Mohammed Mirza | Sep 28, 2011 01:55 | 189631 | ||
| Western capitalism is superior [16 words] | Kerry | Sep 29, 2011 18:21 | 189631 | ||
| 3 | Orientalism [112 words] | Tim Lock | Sep 30, 2011 02:51 | 189631 | |
| 2 | Tim Locke [155 words] | Kerry | Oct 2, 2011 09:53 | 189631 | |
| 1 | Behind Time Tim [105 words] | Kerry | Oct 3, 2011 07:29 | 189631 | |
| 3 | Israel Does Have A Problem With the World Having a Problem With Israel [353 words] | M. Tovey | Oct 7, 2011 13:54 | 189631 | |
| 3 | WHY ISRAEL NEED NOT CARE! [74 words] | peter knopfler | Oct 11, 2011 23:28 | 189631 | |
| Jealous Islam [129 words] | Wlad The Great | Jul 30, 2012 20:49 | 189631 | ||
| Wake up West Turkey plays you a chup [54 words] | NuritG | Sep 27, 2011 23:09 | 189629 | ||
| 1 | Don't agree [98 words] | Cem | Sep 27, 2011 22:20 | 189628 | |
| 1 | what about 9/11 [30 words] | caleb | Sep 27, 2011 21:32 | 189626 | |
| Turkey is driving a wedge between America and Israel [73 words] | Jon Ozdamar | Sep 27, 2011 19:24 | 189620 | ||
| Israel is the only non Christian democratic state in the region [99 words] | Costas Kalotaris | Oct 22, 2011 01:42 | 189620 | ||
| Question for Dr Pipes [53 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Jay1 | Sep 27, 2011 18:42 | 189618 | ||
| oh dear [20 words] | JJ Burke | Sep 28, 2011 08:15 | 189618 | ||
| 2 | Failure to respond to attacks of war against America embolden those described in this article. [107 words] | Ralph C Whaley MD | Sep 27, 2011 17:12 | 189617 | |
| 7 | Much is needed before considering all-out war [99 words] | Stephen Blanton | Sep 28, 2011 19:01 | 189617 | |
| 6 | ... Unhelpful [179 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Tim Lock | Sep 27, 2011 17:10 | 189616 | |
| 2 | exposing of the real rogue [76 words] | myth | Sep 28, 2011 04:51 | 189616 | |
| 8 | Marmara etc [253 words] | the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan | Sep 28, 2011 18:51 | 189616 | |
| 4 | Oh really, how many Israeli soldiers are dead [101 words] | Tim Lock | Sep 28, 2011 20:06 | 189616 | |
| 7 | marmara 2 [298 words] | the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan | Sep 29, 2011 05:26 | 189616 | |
| 2 | Nonsense cannot be argued with [326 words] | Tim Lock | Sep 29, 2011 18:01 | 189616 | |
| 4 | simple question [204 words] | the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan | Sep 30, 2011 00:28 | 189616 | |
| Facts basic and no more stupid discussion [387 words] | Tim Lock | Oct 2, 2011 15:50 | 189616 | ||
| 5 | Agreed - we do want the facts [1936 words] | the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan | Oct 2, 2011 22:33 | 189616 | |
| No title [238 words] | Tim Lock | Oct 4, 2011 14:58 | 189616 | ||
| ... strikes again [7 words] | Kerry | Oct 4, 2011 19:08 | 189616 | ||
| 4 | hindsight's great [490 words] | the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan | Oct 8, 2011 06:02 | 189616 | |
| Your sources? [17 words] | Amin Riaz | Oct 16, 2011 21:47 | 189616 | ||
| 3 | OMG you have a lot to learn Tim [469 words] | Peter Hall | Nov 10, 2011 02:32 | 189616 | |
| 3 | Tim, Have you ever watched a Television show?? [190 words] | Peter Hall | Nov 12, 2011 05:55 | 189616 | |
| 13 | Turkey has always been rogue [255 words] | Iskender | Sep 27, 2011 16:15 | 189614 | |
| 9 | Brawl Breaks Out at U.N. between Security Staff & Turkish diplomats [314 words] | Dan Schwartz | Sep 27, 2011 16:02 | 189613 | |
| 9 | How to use diplomatic immunity ? Throw a woman across the room in the UN ! [517 words] | Ianus | Sep 28, 2011 06:44 | 189613 | |
| 3 | The rationale for burqas [46 words] | Paul S. | Sep 29, 2011 18:53 | 189613 | |
| 16 | National Interests [18 words] | Ayla Kosebey | Sep 27, 2011 15:35 | 189611 | |
| 5 | Quranic dicta take precedence over infidels' dicta [134 words] | Ianus | Sep 28, 2011 09:57 | 189611 | |
| 18 | Laic Turkey [36 words] | Ayla Kosebey | Sep 30, 2011 16:45 | 189611 | |
| 9 | What is it? It has no freedom of thought and 99,8% Islamization rate and yet boasts of being "laic and democratic"?... The Turkish wonderland! [277 words] | Ianus | Oct 2, 2011 14:02 | 189611 | |
| 15 | bravery is a nice wisdom [158 words] | Ayla Kosebey | Oct 4, 2011 03:44 | 189611 | |
| 13 | Aren't you implying the Turks fully justify their notoriety for crime and barbarism ? [1066 words] | Ianus | Oct 8, 2011 10:39 | 189611 | |
| 6 | I'm not surpised! [159 words] | Jacob Thomas | Sep 27, 2011 14:56 | 189610 | |
| 2 | So southern Europe is falling-apart in either appeasement of non-workers, or a re-run of the Ottoman. Surprised? [523 words] | Alex Scipio | Sep 27, 2011 14:14 | 189608 | |
| 1 | Don't forget the issue of water levels along the Euphrates [42 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Aymenn Jawad Al-Tamimi | Sep 27, 2011 14:00 | 189606 | |
| 9 | Turkey made the wrong choice, just like Germany in the 1930s [125 words] | Jayson Rex | Sep 27, 2011 13:55 | 189604 | |
| 5 | Very true [115 words] | Anna | Sep 28, 2011 06:43 | 189604 | |
| 1 | Thats exactly why the murder is murder [117 words] | Tim Lock | Sep 29, 2011 12:00 | 189604 | |
| 3 | Turks and Europeans [123 words] | Tim Lock | Sep 29, 2011 12:06 | 189604 | |
| 7 | ... denials and reality [2366 words] | Ianus | Sep 29, 2011 18:25 | 189604 | |
| 2 | Refute it yourself [77 words] | Anna | Sep 29, 2011 18:31 | 189604 | |
| 5 | A better idea [129 words] | Ianus | Sep 29, 2011 19:29 | 189604 | |
| 5 | Turkish law criminalizes the truth. [83 words] | Ianus | Sep 29, 2011 20:29 | 189604 | |
| 3 | tim lock [16 words] | herbert smythe | Oct 1, 2011 11:36 | 189604 | |
| 2 | Organized Armenian propaganda machine-hungry of identity fed on victim psychology [480 words] | Tim Lock | Oct 2, 2011 16:16 | 189604 | |
| 6 | ... forget the sources and keep accusing the opponent of your own crimes [280 words] | Ianus | Oct 3, 2011 08:40 | 189604 | |
| 10 | "Somebody else's filth" ;) [610 words] | Ianus | Oct 3, 2011 11:29 | 189604 | |
| You have no answer [227 words] | Tim Lock | Oct 4, 2011 15:55 | 189604 | ||
| Still that old good orientalist filth [121 words] | Tim Lock | Oct 4, 2011 16:50 | 189604 | ||
| 5 | "Deutschland und Armenien" 1919 vs. Turkish lies [248 words] | Ianus | Oct 6, 2011 16:56 | 189604 | |
| 6 | Oriental filth old and new [503 words] | Ianus | Oct 8, 2011 08:00 | 189604 | |
| 3 | too much hate [176 words] | havas | Oct 10, 2011 11:12 | 189604 | |
| 12 | Two rogues -Mahomet and Ataturk [1333 words] | Ianus | Oct 11, 2011 17:56 | 189604 | |
| 4 | Beyond the statistics [352 words] | Turkcekonusanamerikali | Nov 2, 2011 19:50 | 189604 | |
| 4 | Erdogan Takes Turkey Into (Militant) Islam [206 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Ron Thompson | Sep 27, 2011 13:46 | 189603 | |
| 1 | Turkish Anxieties [247 words] | M. Tovey | Sep 28, 2011 18:51 | 189603 | |
| 1 | Israel relying on the US [124 words] | Mark D. | Sep 29, 2011 22:34 | 189603 | |
| Israel's Reliance on Defense Cannot be Focused on US [216 words] | M. Tovey | Oct 3, 2011 12:10 | 189603 | ||
| 3 | Show of Hands-Who is Really Surprised About Turkey [364 words] | M. Tovey | Sep 27, 2011 12:46 | 189602 | |
| 1 | Biblical catastrophy [87 words] | Tim Lock | Sep 29, 2011 12:13 | 189602 | |
| 1 | Biblical Catastrophe Indeed-But Whose Nuke? [216 words] | M. Tovey | Sep 29, 2011 18:37 | 189602 | |
| 3 | Turkey, a "Moslem Model" for the Arab Spring [43 words] | Ludvikus | Sep 27, 2011 12:46 | 189601 | |
| 2 | A Contrary Opinion [59 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Shel_TR | Sep 27, 2011 12:34 | 189600 | |
| 4 | Turkey did not help during the holocaust, it oppressed its non-Muslim citizens [129 words] | Iskender | Sep 28, 2011 15:22 | 189600 | |
| 3 | An eyewitness [145 words] | rkm | Sep 29, 2011 18:59 | 189600 | |
| 1 | Jews in the 1930s preferred Turkey over anti-Semitic Christian neighbors. [159 words] | Jon Ozdamar | Sep 30, 2011 20:24 | 189600 | |
| 4 | Jews of Eastern Thrace in Turkey were oppressed, expelled in the 1930s [123 words] | Iskender | Oct 2, 2011 01:00 | 189600 | |
| 7 | Jews and their Turkish oppressors [455 words] | Ianus | Oct 2, 2011 14:46 | 189600 | |
| 5 | More than 9000 or more than 15 000 ? [41 words] | Ianus | Oct 2, 2011 19:36 | 189600 | |
| 4 | Correction [143 words] | Iskender | Oct 2, 2011 21:10 | 189600 | |
| 1 | Ironically, Ottoman Jews were better tolerated than their Turkish successors [382 words] | Jon Ozdamar | Oct 3, 2011 09:38 | 189600 | |
| 5 | Jews were oppressed in the modern Turkish Republic [179 words] | Iskender | Oct 4, 2011 00:06 | 189600 | |
| 8 | "Turkish secularism" is an insult to intelligence [188 words] | Ianus | Oct 4, 2011 14:30 | 189600 | |
| 5 | Let's listen to the Jews for a change [383 words] | Ianus | Oct 6, 2011 17:38 | 189600 | |
 Bektashi Muslims were influenced by Jewish Kabbalism. [78 words] | Jon | Oct 6, 2011 18:35 | 189600 | ||
| 8 | The story of 100 liars [662 words] | Ianus | Oct 8, 2011 07:29 | 189600 | |
| 6 | Where is Obama? [78 words] | jd | Sep 27, 2011 11:41 | 189599 | |
| 2 | and because of that [66 words] | Alan | Sep 28, 2011 12:55 | 189599 |
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