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Not So Sure Terrorism Obstructs Political Radical islamReader comment on item: How Terrorism Obstructs Radical Islam Submitted by Ron Thompson (United States), Aug 23, 2005 at 22:47 This comment is a response not only to this piece, but also to your pieces onthe bombings in Bangladesh and Talking Freely, ie.about the firing of Michael Graham. First, I would say it's not at all clear whether active Terrorism hinders or helps the inherent totalitarianism of 'political' Radical Islam. If enough 'Madrids' or 'London subways' take place, it may hinder or even smash PRI by finally galvanizing the slowly 'boiling frog' of Western Civilization. But absent that tipping point, it may, perversely, come to be seen as the 'moderate' voice of Islam. That is, it may replace those that you think are moderates (I remain radically unconvinced that this group exists in any meaningful political sense, regardless of their numbers). Indeed, if PRI is seen to rise in influence, then I expect it to have a marked if gradual effect, or gravitational pull, on those forces you think are genuinely 'moderate'. And if this happens it will be seen, too late, that 'moderate' Islam was only the Moslem counterpart to the "flaccid" portion of the West all along. In other words, whichever "flaccid" portion of each civilization toughens up first, and most intelligently, may be decisive for the overall outcome. Here's a radical idea, which will undoubtedly seem preposterous at first glance. I think there should be a major campaign to SHAME Islam into genuinely and openly either embracing its violent core, or convincingly renouncing its profoundly anti-civilized, barbaric violence, i.e. all violence directed as a matter of religious duty against civilians of any religion or society, including of course Moslem civilians, like the cannon fodder for hyperviolent Islam in Iraq and elsewhere. It seems truly shameful to me that there is no organized outcry, at either the religious or political leadership or 'street' level in the Moslem world, against Zarqawi's violence, and a foolishly lost political opportunity that this absence isn't shouted from the rooftops in the West. In the absence of Moslem protest at this type of Moslem violence against Moslems, no Moslem or misplacedly tolerant Westerner who dares say that Islam stands for Peace or non-violence, should go unchallenged. No one I know has been better than you at pointing out the weasely and unscrupulous way most Moslem organizations appear to denounce violence, and claim it has nothing to do' with the 'real' Islam, while their actual theology and fine print says and means nothing of the kind. The only problem is that I see this same weaseliness and opportunistic disengenuousness, albeit in a different form, in the comments of so-called moderate Moslem leaders and opinion mongers, whereas you, for some mysterious reason, take what they say at face value. It seems clear that no amount of logic or outrage, and no level of violence engaged in by the West SO FAR*, is going to deter the suicide bombers, or alter their mindset. But what if the whole religion is sought to be exposed as having an irreducible bedrock of violence? After all, the dominant strain of Islam in the 'holiest' sites of Islam is utterly controlled by the hyperintolerant Wahabiism, which has flourished unobstructed and unchallenged for a quarter of a millenium. Since with both violent and 'merely' political extremist Islam, the West already has the 'name' of opposing Islam, why not play the 'game', and stopped being ourselves SHAMED out of not playing it, i.e. shamed into fighting this great planetary geopolitical challenge with one hand - and that the strongest hand - tied behind our back. What a perverse and ironic result to have imposed on ourselves! Just how to do carry out a shaming campaign is subject to later comment. Ron Thompson * By no means do I think 'taking out' Mecca should be taken off the table, or regarded as beyond the pale of thought. Here's one of several reasons. It has long amazed me that Jerusalem as the 3rd 'holiest' place of Islam either matches or (with all forms of radical Islam) trumps Jerusalem as the 1st (and almost only) holy place of Judaism. How did the West allow either version of this mindset to take root? Thus if radical Islam (assuming, which I don't, that either violent or political islam is that different from so-called moderate Islam) can talk of obliterating the State of Israel, I don't think a categorical military response of the same nature to Mecca and Medina should be automatically declared unthinkable. Note: Opinions expressed in comments are those of the authors alone and not necessarily those of Daniel Pipes. Original writing only, please. Comments are screened and in some cases edited before posting. Reasoned disagreement is welcome but not comments that are scurrilous, off-topic, commercial, disparaging religions, or otherwise inappropriate. For complete regulations, see the "Guidelines for Reader Comments". << Previous Comment Next Comment >> Reader comments (115) on this item
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