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Nation of Islam vs. Islam
Reader comment on item: The Snipers: Crazy or Jihadis?
Submitted by Gunnar Gunderson (United States), Oct 29, 2002 at 21:29
The Nation of Islam and Islam are very different - different beliefs, agenda. Actual Muslims do not consider members of the Nation of Islam as Muslims. Yet this article doesn't make this distinction clear.Generally, I like to read Pipes' articles to see his side of the story - he is very well informed. But, in this case at least, the blurring of this distinction can be misleading.
Umar
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Daniel Pipes replies:
735 words does not allow for a full discussion of all issues. For my views on the NoI-normative Islamic connection, see http://www.danielpipes.org/article/167 and http://www.danielpipes.org/article/341.DP
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