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Submitted by Aidyl Nurhadi (Malaysia), Apr 3, 2006 at 01:57

Assalamu'alaikum Warahmatullah
Dear RB,
You said,"As an indian...myself and all of my non-muslim people have all been brought up never to trust a muslim, by our fathers and forefathers...why do you think this is so? Because they have fought wars and survived holocausts over the last 1400 years to try and prevent the devil from walking over the earth. ...why is it that every other religion on earth permits anyone from any faith to enter its temples and churches, and Islam does not permit, nay tolerate members of other faiths?"

Muslims have fought wars and survived holocausts for the past 1400 years to prevent the devil from walking the earth? Where did you get this? The first question you raised in your post is why do Islam forbid non-believers to enter its sacred places(mosques) when other religions do not. Where in the accepted Islamic sources(Qur'an and Sunna) does it say that non-Muslims are not allowed to enter mosques?

On the contrary sir. If I may relate to you a story of the treaty of the Prophet with Christians of Najran. This incident occured in the year 10 after Hijrah which is equivalent to 631 CE. A 60 member strong delegation of the Christians of Najran went to consult the Prophet in Medinah. They were accepted and received IN the Prophet's mosque(Masjid An-Nabawi). They discussed with the Prophet about the latter's beliefs and claim of prophethood. They stayed, ate and were even given permission by the Prophet himself to pray in the Prophet's Mosque! It was during this incident that the famous Surah Al-Ikhlas was revealed to the Prophet in response to the Christians' question regarding Islam's concept of God. In conclusion my dear sir, non-Muslims SHOULD be allowed in any mosque around the world save Mecca. If your local Muslims puts a prohibition for you and your non-Muslim friends from enterring the mosques, that is not the fault of Islam. I would very much like to speak to these Muslims if possible :).

Your second question was and I quote,"why is it that everone else turns the other cheek peacfully to an affront, but the koran tells a muslim to murder anyone who offends?"

Everyone else? who are these everyone else? Do be more specific next time. Such generalisations weighs no proof. Perhaps you mean Christianity, as that phrase turn the other cheek is taken from the Bible when Jesus is purported to have said,"It has been said of old time, an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, but I say to you if a man slaps you in the left cheek give the other to him also." A very pleasant teaching on the face of it of course. But incidentally in another place, in Luke 19:27 Jesus said," But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be a king over them-bring them here and kill them in front of me." Why don't you account for this? Anyway about turning the other cheek. Islam teaches that also, but only to a certain extent. The Qur'an says in 25:63, The true servants of Allah are those who behave gently and with humility,and whenever the foolish quarrel with them,they reply with [words of] peace.In 41:34 the Qur'an says,"Respond to an evil deed with something good and see how somone whois seperated from you because of enmity becomes a dear friend." But the Qur'an at the same time also tells us that if you are oppressed, defend yourself, but do not transgress for God love not the transgressors.

It is the duty of every able bodied Muslim men to defend his religion, county, people and family against those who attack you PHYSICALLY and not just anyone who offends you or your religion as what you tried to insinuate. There are rules of war in Islam. For starters Muslim fighters are only allowed to fight those who are actually fighting you, those with arms and so on. Not even trees are allowed to be cut down unnacessarily in a non-Muslim territory should a conflict occur therein. Islam is the most practical and wholesome religion on Earth. Let's say we apply this idea of turning the other cheek whole heartedly. Here's an analogy. Say you lived in India during the days of the Christian colonisation and you had a family. One day, a group of drunk British soldiers approach your residence and break in. They attack you brutally, causing much injury. Do you just remain passive and stand by? All right, that's your own life, if ya want them to trash you feel free. But after trashing you, their madness is not yet saturated and they saw your wife and children and hurry towards them to rape your wife and possibly even kill your children. So do you turn the other cheek? What are you? a spineless bastard? you would let your wife and children be killed while you just stand by and watch? This is an example of oppression that Muslims are told to ward off.

You next question is and I quote,"why is it that the koran condemns anyone who dares question it?" Where does the Qur'an condemn those who question it??? Again be specific, don't just throw red-herrings without support. They would remain nothing more than mere ramblings. But anyway, I shall answer your plea. The Qur'an condemns those who question it. On the contrary sir, it is quite the other way around. The Qur'an encourages people to question it, over and over again. You will know this if you've actually read the Qur'an. The challenge of the Qur'an to those who disbelieve in it to find any discrepency within it is proof enough that it encourages questioning. There are dozens if not hundreds more examples of the encouragement of the Qur'an to people to question its validity and to establish a platform of understanding. Repute scholars such as Al-Ghazali, Ibn Rushd and so on have written countless of books about the Qur'an and those who question it. During the time of the the Vizier Nizam Al-Mulk, he established a reputed court for debate among thinkers at the Nizamiyyah Institution of Baghdad. Countless scholars questioned the Qur'an to find answrs and so on. Zamakhshan a scholar of much repute took out seeminlgy grammatical errors in the Qur'an and explained them in his work Al-Kasshaf. And Al-Ghazali spoke about hermeneutics and expounded on metaphors and similes in the Qur'an in his Mishkat Al-Anwar. In short, no other religion ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH, encourages pondering(tadabbur), reflection(tafakkur) and questioning of its sources.

Your next question is and I quote,"why is it that muslims kill someone who denounces the faith, yet actively seeks out to convert other people to its vile docrtine?" Do you know what the punishment for corroborating with the enemies of the state in America? Death or life imprisonment. In England, traitors may also be executed. There is a word for this. It's TREASON. It's not just a matter of apostasy sir. But an apostate is afforded execution after being given chances to repent because of mainly rebellion and disturbance of peace. A good example is, Dr. Ali Sina of www.faithfreedom.com . It's allowed to ask constructive questions for the sake of understanding and learning but when you question, mock and ridicule out of vile and manipulate facts. It becomes a different story all together. Dr. Ali Sina calls for the ERADICATION of Islam. No sane and educated Muslim would ever call for the eradication of another religion. Shame on him.

You next question is and I quote,"why does Islam's perspective of god promise 72 virgins, wealth and material things to mass murderers in its name? Is sex not an earthly desire / pleasure...surely 'material' things like that are well beneath a deity?" lol again SPECIFICITY is the aim! Could you produce one single verse in the Qur'an that promises such things for MASS MURDERERS who commit their evil deeds in the name of God or Islam? The Qur'an says,"For those of you who kill a person save those who do mischief is as if he has killed the whole of humanity and those of you who save a life it will be as if he has saved all humanity".

You said in the statement that follows the question above and I quote,"These are just a few questions [there are hundreds more] we all need to ask...and I agree with the originator of this blog, that our stupid liberal / human rights orientated governments are appeasing muslims and fear offending them...This will be the civilised world's undoing"

Our stupid liberal/human rights oriented government are appeasing Muslims and fear offending them? How are these governments appeasing Muslims by attacking Afghanistan and Iraq? How are these governments appeasing Muslims for failure of doing justice to the Innocen Muslim and Christian Palestinians? What do you mean appease us? Appease us how? Their ruthless policies do not reflect liberalism or humanism. Again which governments are you talking about? America? European countries? what? I suppose you have nothing to say against those Europeans who colonised your people in India and exploited your country's wealth?

You said and I quote,"We need to tackle the Islamist threat head on, before it is too late, right now there are around 1 billion muslims in the world and that number is growing fast (why else do you think they are allowed to marry 4 women, so they have numerous offspring, more than 10 children in many cases)." Statistically, by year 2050 or earlier Islam will surpass even Christian it's biggest rival. You're trying to say that the growth is due solely to polygyny and procreation. This is an old orientalist polemic you're raising. No doubt that birth contributes greatly to Islam's growth but in truth, so does conversion. And only a fraction of Muslims marry more than one while the first wife is still alive(polygyny), in fact less than 10% of the Muslim population actually practices it. So to attribute polygyny to Islam's growth is nothing more than mere conjecture. Further more, you fail to realise or see the wisdom behind the permission to marry more than 1 and up to four. I would just like to assert that Muslims are forbidden to marry more than one women simply out of lust if he cannot do justice to more than one wife. The Qur'an in fact is the only religious book on the face of the earth that has this expression"MARRY ONLY ONE". It is in Surah An-Nisa' where you may find the permission for polygyny. It says,'Marry women up to twos and threes and fours, but if you cannot do JUSTICE between them MARRY ONLY ONE'. And in another place the Qur'an says that it is difficult for a husband to maintain even one wife, what more 2, 3 or 4.

You later state mercilessly and out of pure ignorance as I can see that and I quote,"There are still 5 billion untainted people left on the earth and we need to make a choice...get rid of them before they get rid of us...
Remember the koran teaches them to decieve us and then convert or slaughter us [this is not some fancy...study the koran and its there, we must know our enemy] ..."
There are 5 billion more untainted? So we 1.5 billion Muslims are tainted then? with what? You said,'get rid of them(the 5 non-Muslims) before they become Muslims and get rid of you? Now who's advocating terrorism and devilishness? I for one as a Muslim have no intention whatsoever to get rid of you or any other pitiful ignoramus people. You further stated that "Remember the koran teaches them to deceive us, then convert or slaughter you". How terribly have you derailed from the truth. Where in the whole Qur'an does it teach us to deceive you with lies or convert you or otherwise kill you??? One verse from the Qur'an will disprove this malicious accusation of yours. The Qur'an says in Surah Al-Baqarah, verse 256,"LET THERE BE NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION ,TRUTH STANDS OUT CLEAR FROM ERROR. It is forbidden for Muslims to force others to convert at the point of a sword.

Further more, their conversion if made by force is worthless as you can only become a genuine Muslim in the sight of God if you accept the truth freely.
Also the Qur'an says,'Invite (all) to the way of your Lord, with wisdom and beautiful preaching. (16:125). Not with nuclear bombs, TNT, machine guns, rifles, snipers, swords or knives, but with WISDOM and BEAUTIFUL PREACHING!
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I hope I have answered all your questions and misunderstandings. ...

May Allah S.W.T. guide us all to the right path. Ameen.
Wabillah HiTaufiq Walhidayah Wassalamu'alaikum Warahmatullah
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Democracy's Fault : Waking Up Too Slowly [300 words]Bob BreslauerNov 6, 2004 14:4618119
Yes Virginia, there is a boogey-man and it is radical Islam! [751 words]Randy MillsOct 12, 2004 16:0217604
It COULD happen . . . . . here's why [90 words]Carrie WadeOct 10, 2004 18:3717575
The Muslim Brotherhood should be treated with... [28 words]EklektosOct 9, 2004 21:4517570
CANADIAN PERSPECTIVE [448 words]Zorka DjurdjevicOct 9, 2004 11:5917568
Not quite so [117 words]Abu NudnikJul 6, 2010 21:5017568
MIlitant Islam in America - a truth seldom faced. [52 words]J. NasouOct 8, 2004 18:3417563
The Schools Are Already Helping [40 words]Susan SalisburyOct 7, 2004 01:0117554
It'll never happen... here's why [383 words]Joshua TruaxOct 6, 2004 03:3417537
it will happen 110% [9 words]sajidMar 1, 2007 07:3617537
Defending America [118 words]Patrick LauOct 5, 2004 14:3717532
The Islamic states of America Art.2100 [159 words]S.C.PandaOct 5, 2004 06:1117525
Real History Lesson - The Barbary Wars - Shores of Tripoli - First war with Islam [265 words]genesalJul 11, 2007 19:1917525
Essential reading [17 words]Karl AnglinOct 4, 2004 19:3117517
They are no different that other religious fundamentalists [12 words]Ron LarsonOct 3, 2004 22:3917510
Not only Radicals? [44 words]Loy MyersOct 3, 2004 22:3217509
Disturbing [129 words]Michael ReinhardOct 3, 2004 21:1917507
Immigration policy [93 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Marion AbramowitzOct 2, 2004 21:1217500
1This has been coming! [179 words]James KearneyOct 1, 2004 11:3917489
This is hysteria [139 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
HosseinSep 29, 2004 19:5017464
hmmm [52 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
acmSep 28, 2004 12:4317428
Thank you [94 words]Alina UchenikSep 28, 2004 11:2217421
Breakthrough or freak accident? [42 words]Steve SaafSep 27, 2004 23:4417415
We've got work to do [115 words]David LincolnSep 27, 2004 20:2917411
We said so long ago. [66 words]F. FrancisSep 27, 2004 15:1617408
Free Americans can chose what is the best for themselves [11 words]Mustaf GüneylerSep 27, 2004 12:2817403
Nonsense [69 words]paxSep 27, 2004 11:0517402
In agreement [97 words]Allan LiebermanSep 26, 2004 15:4017313
Are they groups I may join that are in resistance? [47 words]William MurraySep 26, 2004 12:4817294
Balanced perspective? [711 words]John LombardSep 26, 2004 10:2817284
Disturbing parallel with Christian Coalition [115 words]Michael M.Sep 26, 2004 02:1817245
A Force Against Itself [92 words]T. B. RobertsSep 24, 2004 20:4817215
Ridding the Planet of Infidels...... [158 words]Darwin BarrettSep 24, 2004 17:1217204
agree with your view [62 words]RRWrightMar 28, 2006 15:2317204
After so much attention to being PC, how can the islamogestapo even be DESCRIBED ? [323 words]William R. SellOct 20, 2006 20:4817204
No forced Islam here EVER. [108 words]EricNov 30, 2006 01:5017204
Excellent Article [30 words]Michael and Jacquelyn HevajraSep 24, 2004 16:5317199
and so? [194 words]John W McGinleySep 24, 2004 16:5117197
History repeats itself [104 words]Shahin S.Sep 24, 2004 13:5517191
Why Shouldn't They Want to Convert America? [58 words]TerrySep 24, 2004 13:1517190
Solutions? [235 words]Ira LauferSep 24, 2004 12:3817187
One of the best I've seen [28 words]RichardSep 24, 2004 12:2917186
1Western Ignorance [207 words]Roy WeinbergSep 24, 2004 11:3517185
Muslim Brotherhood's "Struggle?" [182 words]Rick MoranSep 24, 2004 10:5417184
Thank you! [18 words]LeslieSep 24, 2004 10:2117179
Legal Overthrow [129 words]TanruSep 24, 2004 08:2617175
I Don't understand [14 words]Pat GordonSep 24, 2004 08:1617173
I sure agree with your statement. [72 words]Bob JamesonSep 24, 2004 02:3917163
It is their goal [135 words]Mourad FathySep 24, 2004 02:0717162
An Impossible Task [316 words]Betsy RossSep 23, 2004 18:1317155
Muslim Brotherhood taking over. [118 words]Stephane LubiczSep 23, 2004 17:5017154
muslims should stop extremist terrorists [44 words]dickAug 21, 2006 00:2017154
Ameristan is Coming [139 words]Charles WeltySep 23, 2004 17:4817153
An excellent and timely message to Americans [205 words]Tenton N. HortonSep 23, 2004 16:4617152
What to do? [87 words]Dave SeverySep 23, 2004 16:3917150
Complacency and stupidity of our government [550 words]Anonymous AmericanSep 23, 2004 16:2217149
Kudos [71 words]Allen WeingartenSep 23, 2004 16:1017147
1Islam is not a religion [119 words]Mikhail ShafikSep 23, 2004 15:0617145
NATURES RELIGION [6 words]MARCANTONIOOct 19, 2006 16:4717145
1Religious intolerance in Egypt [137 words]Michael ShafikJun 2, 2009 11:5717145
1Some clarifications [226 words]A muslimDec 25, 2009 20:3217145
Why shouldn't they? [18 words]Sherman FagerSep 23, 2004 14:4217142
what's wrong? [13 words]Paul CooperDec 7, 2007 10:4617142
The US Constitution is not a sacred document [302 words]Garry PriorSep 23, 2004 14:3317141
1An atheist perspective [142 words]Norman ConquestSep 20, 2006 21:4617141
Perverse advice [74 words]John HarmanSep 23, 2004 14:2317140
Unconstitutional [124 words]Victor KatsapSep 23, 2004 13:5717139
Believe it ! [18 words]Saul WassermanSep 23, 2004 13:3017138
"Endgame" addresses this [25 words]Joanna KingSep 23, 2004 13:2417137
1Muslim Brotherhood in Canada [113 words]Allan W. PriceSep 23, 2004 12:4917136
Islam Means Violence [82 words]Shallabh KheraMar 12, 2006 03:1617136
1The country needs to hear this [84 words]Vincent DalySep 23, 2004 11:3617134
Warning loud and clear - now what do we do about it? [118 words]JGSep 23, 2004 11:2017132
Nail on the head [164 words]Les MaxwellSep 23, 2004 10:3417131
Speaking the truth on the House floor [402 words]KAOSKTRLSep 23, 2004 09:5217130
Extinction by the First Amendment [77 words]Tom RekdalSep 23, 2004 09:4717128
Afraid of Islam? [202 words]Roger D. McKinneySep 23, 2004 09:1017127
1Wake up now.....Wake up fast.....before it's too late!!! [135 words]FroikeJan 27, 2009 11:4317127
Wake up! [46 words]Lee RudderSep 23, 2004 09:0917126
Bernard Lewis - Die Welt Article [24 words]James ColbySep 23, 2004 08:2217123
"Europe will be Islamic by the end of the century."? [16 words]Richard BaldwinMay 26, 2010 04:5517123
Moderate Mulsims [167 words]Jonathan UsherSep 23, 2004 07:1217120
Well done. [86 words]Lowell ByrdSep 23, 2004 06:4517119

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