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Submitted by J Eva (United States), Feb 12, 2009 at 15:26

I don't have a view about Mr Wilder's video. However, I thought freedom of expression was just that - the freedom to express yourself, and be judged on the form and content of what you say or depict. While accusing this man of "fascism", others who absurdly assume they have the right to protect the rest of us (just as many despots in the past have done- think of Hitler's book-burning and persecution of non-believers in nazism) use the machinery of state to ban people whose views they don't like or don't want to hear.

In Apartheid South Africa, too, "banning orders" were common. How can there even be a debate if one side can't put forward their point ? Or is the point that debate is no longer required in our modern age, where the politicians know all that is needed to be known ?

Interesting, too, isn't it, that while these things go on, we have a goverment strongly in favour of increasing periods of detention without trial ?

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Alex [42 words]To what extent will European governments fold over freedom of speech so that a religious group is not offended. Europe went through the Reformation where religion became fair game for criticism, why should it stop now just because there's some new comers?Jul 28, 2012 00:14197477
publicity [26 words]khurram ali goharMay 20, 2009 23:34155879
Don't forget Geert Wilders! [83 words]Fursac MontautreFeb 22, 2009 04:34150955
Banning Geert Wilders from entering UK [171 words]J EvaFeb 12, 2009 15:26150326
Fairness [144 words]EricFeb 12, 2009 10:56150313
World Wide Muslim Censorship [298 words]AB BESTMar 23, 2009 03:30150313
Fitna the Movie [11 words]sarMar 23, 2009 19:19150313
1Fitna Video n Islam [258 words]Jatha CubuNov 7, 2009 06:48150313
Believe in Allah [169 words]Humaira AzmiFeb 12, 2009 06:21150298
Believe in Allah? [173 words]Jatha CubuNov 10, 2009 12:56150298
It is not islam that teaches violence it is Muslims who believe in violence! [130 words]CejacJan 25, 2009 04:44148997
Disappointment.. [214 words]S.N.SallehSep 28, 2008 10:16139284
1Then do something! [309 words]DonOct 6, 2008 10:04139284
1we support you Geert Wilders [15 words]robert friedFeb 12, 2009 11:53139284
Would not it be shame for Netherland to be represented by a voilant man Geert [238 words]Kurdistan KurdistaniAug 19, 2008 18:51137033
I am no expert [312 words]James from CanadaJul 30, 2008 17:28135927
Unveiling Islam [42 words]GaryJul 6, 2008 20:09134517
Barbarians at the Gates! [211 words]Bill GibbonsJul 4, 2008 14:04134398
Try to Understand please [140 words]AbdullahMay 20, 2008 01:44129238
Islamic religion have so many obstacles.. [118 words]Min ithnaini afdalul asma'May 16, 2008 11:31128845
Whatever it is..just stay put together [6 words]Wahid minal musliminMay 16, 2008 11:11128844
Islam never teaching about violence [54 words]indraApr 17, 2008 06:02125949
A muslim response to the Fitna movie! [395 words]SusanApr 8, 2008 12:07125065
Our dear Susan who needs to read a real book and female circumcision and islam [623 words]dhimmi no moreApr 11, 2008 07:39125065
An infidel response to our dear Susan and her little context thing [238 words]dhimmi no moreApr 11, 2008 08:13125065
You wasted most of your time!! [319 words]SusanApr 14, 2008 14:18125065
Our dear Susan [67 words]dhimmi no moreApr 18, 2008 22:00125065
Our dear Susan and you posted the same drivel twice [22 words]dhimmi no moreApr 18, 2008 22:02125065
Our dear Susan is in denial [16 words]dhimmi no moreApr 18, 2008 22:05125065
Our dear Suasn [161 words]dhimmi no moreApr 18, 2008 22:16125065
Our Dear Susan and hadith sahih and other sordid matters [86 words]dhimmi no moreApr 19, 2008 15:02125065
Some thoughts on the issue [89 words]Stan FarynaApr 1, 2008 02:30124281
Its out..and its true [230 words]Bill IrelandMar 31, 2008 13:19124202
Ireland's comments are true: "Fitna" is the truth in their own words [254 words]Straight talkApr 7, 2008 00:56124202
Why bother? [224 words]Nadereh AzimiMar 30, 2008 09:04124096
Use any P2P network to access the film [66 words]Mark AspinallMar 29, 2008 09:27124009
Please send me a downloadable copy of Fitna [71 words]AB BestMar 19, 2009 20:39124009
Network Solutions Host Extreme Islam Sites - Surprised ? [119 words]Mark AspinallMar 29, 2008 09:21124008
Islamist intolerance solved by tolerance? [149 words]jennifer solisMar 29, 2008 02:24123989
Some freedom of the press [23 words]Rebecca MouldsMar 29, 2008 00:15123982
Not proud of Their Religion? [55 words]Charles NickalopoulosMar 29, 2008 22:28123982
What we see [171 words]Rebecca MouldsMar 30, 2008 19:36123982
Moderates vs Radicals [80 words]Charles NickalopoulosApr 1, 2008 18:17123982
Does Islam encourage violence against unbelievers? [243 words]MartinFeb 12, 2009 12:41123982
Interest in your comments [163 words]Ahmed Al-AliFeb 18, 2013 14:35123982
Another victim and reality [341 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 19, 2013 06:50123982
I contacted Network Solutions about suspending the site, here is what they said.... [316 words]KierstinMar 28, 2008 22:24123971
Money [237 words]YnnatchkahMar 29, 2008 02:42123971
1Freedom of Speech is dead [93 words]Saul EisenstatMar 29, 2008 14:54123971
If Fitna would cause violence here - violence must happen to the sponsors of terror! SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS! [591 words]Stephen DecaturMar 31, 2008 04:03123971
Link to Geert Wilders' film [20 words]jennifer solisMar 28, 2008 21:31123966
Found the movie on YouTube [45 words]Rebecca MouldsMar 29, 2008 00:30123966
Link to Fitna [102 words]dhimmi no moreApr 3, 2008 07:36123966
Hello dhimmi no more [52 words]jennfer solisApr 4, 2008 19:35123966
The word Fitna [525 words]dhimmi no moreApr 9, 2008 18:58123966
You are a Great Guy, Dhimmi No More [46 words]YnnathckahApr 10, 2008 02:29123966
His message is powerful precisely because it is simple and short [52 words]Sylvia W.Mar 28, 2008 19:06123960
More Islamc terror [26 words]AlMar 28, 2008 18:54123959
Waiting period [171 words]Jon BrooksMar 28, 2008 13:46123933
link to film [17 words]Jack Van NostrandMar 28, 2008 11:21123920
You can find the film at... [14 words]GloriaMar 28, 2008 18:45123920
why [40 words]EmadMar 30, 2008 10:59123920
Soft Movie....Saw much worse..... [55 words]YnnatchkahMar 28, 2008 03:00123877
Appease then strike ! [127 words]dfwhite19438Mar 28, 2008 02:25123873
Dutch Muslim TV offered to show Wilders' film [92 words]Carlos DMar 27, 2008 03:58123786
The film can be viewed here > http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7d9_1206624103 [8 words]KristaMar 28, 2008 09:55123786
need more info [5 words]BolApr 8, 2008 12:43123786
1How to contact Mr. Wilders? [34 words]Edward BMar 26, 2008 14:51123713
Donating to Wilders [17 words]TTMar 28, 2008 08:10123713
Great politician! [32 words]MarciaMar 28, 2008 09:06123713
1You can contact Geert Wilders... [41 words]GloriaMar 28, 2008 14:00123713
This film deserves the OSCAR!! And it should be shown @ CANNES!!! [132 words]Ben WilliamsMar 28, 2008 17:26123713
Masterpiece [25 words]jennifer solisMar 30, 2008 01:27123713
Lovely video [22 words]D. HambrelMar 30, 2008 20:16123713
ik heb geen leven want word ook bedreigt. [9 words]ingeNov 18, 2008 02:49123713
Islam Warning [71 words]Iraqi ChristianFeb 12, 2009 13:08123713
muslimes stop lies [113 words]Assyrian GuyFeb 13, 2009 12:48123713
Muslims stop lies [114 words]Assyrian GuyFeb 28, 2009 11:07123713
Please view this Video before it is removed [27 words]JOHN A.W. AALDERS SRMay 29, 2009 17:44123713
Islamism is not religion its danger ideology [9 words]oloApr 18, 2011 05:00123713
may you share my story [25 words]Nickolai khodovsyApr 8, 2013 15:55123713
The Dutch "Freedom of Expression [167 words]David RusMar 25, 2008 05:38123569
FITNA SHUTDOWN [97 words]PAULMar 24, 2008 09:39123489
Double Measures [373 words]Abner GrechMar 24, 2008 09:13123482
Double Standard [158 words]MelMar 27, 2008 01:36123482
Why?? [88 words]MohibMar 23, 2008 20:23123424
History tells us that Muslims had a more active role in Hitler's extermination of the Jews than we've been taught [187 words]MMar 22, 2008 18:08123279
Free Speech for all or else ! [100 words]IvanMar 14, 2008 14:58122650
Little knowledge is very dangerous thing [106 words]BASHMar 11, 2008 05:36122365
Just a bit of BASH bashing [72 words]Paul R.Mar 26, 2008 19:25122365
Paul, infact you are supporting my opinion. [161 words]BASHMar 28, 2008 00:21122365
muslims have only partial knowledge of islam [160 words]G.VishvasMar 28, 2008 05:03122365
In support of BASH [59 words]Amin RiazMar 28, 2008 13:58122365
In that case I'm supporting your opinion [190 words]Paul R.Mar 29, 2008 00:39122365
Oh wow I did not know Muslims had a sens of humour [19 words]MeApr 1, 2008 15:50122365
Our dear Amin Riaz and the Qur'an [640 words]dhimmi no moreApr 1, 2008 19:31122365
I begin with the name Riaz and Insults [349 words]Amin RiazApr 3, 2008 18:01122365
Our dear Riaz the wannabe Arab [668 words]dhimmi no moreApr 5, 2008 10:48122365
The Qura'n says that menstruation is a disease and our dear Riaz the wannabe Arab [21 words]dhimmi no moreApr 5, 2008 10:54122365
Our dear Riaz and speaking of insults [155 words]dhimmi no moreApr 5, 2008 18:57122365
I salute you Geert! Long live [214 words]ex muslimMar 10, 2008 00:02122222
Wilders is being nuts.... [119 words]AdamMar 11, 2008 03:35122222
Thank you for the film [42 words]IssaMar 30, 2008 02:30122222
not down yet [97 words]Rebecca MouldsMar 9, 2008 14:13122179
Europeans have always been cowardly racist ditherers [173 words]James BurkeMar 9, 2008 09:09122161
here is some info. [471 words]WatcheronthenetMar 10, 2008 22:03122161
Well said [2 words]MohibMar 23, 2008 20:28122161
problematic muslims (also to Mohib) [148 words]G.VishvasMar 28, 2008 05:25122161
Always? [588 words]SteveMar 28, 2008 10:07122161
you are really smart [109 words]europeanMar 29, 2008 10:53122161
it is not about morals, it is about money and power for the religious elites [146 words]MasMar 9, 2008 07:56122153
Egypt wants UN ban on religious insults [206 words]Alex SabyMar 8, 2008 21:23122126
The muslims are trying to hide the Kuran facts and mis-present it to the world. [220 words]OferMar 8, 2008 06:59122060
Very well said. [59 words]YnnatchkahMar 8, 2008 21:29122060
Taslima Nasrin [72 words]manasMar 5, 2008 13:31121815
proceed with film [52 words]nightowlMar 8, 2008 16:00121815
"freedom of expression doesn't mean the right to offend." [48 words]Ron GerskupMar 5, 2008 02:37121778
You don't have to watch it, no-one is forcing you [213 words]Mark AspinallMar 8, 2008 13:23121778
Wilders, Verhagen and dhimmitude [78 words]AdrianMar 1, 2008 09:12121485
Prospects brighten for dhimmitude [154 words]Guy MacherMar 3, 2008 22:41121485
You go, guy! [61 words]Mark WaldmanMar 5, 2008 08:05121485
Fitna up in the air [21 words]AdrianMar 5, 2008 10:09121485
I stand corrected! [52 words]Guy MacherMar 27, 2008 21:56121485
Fitna, the movie (Information) [11 words]TimFeb 28, 2008 04:54121290
I am ashamed of my people... [50 words]Ex MohammedMar 12, 2008 06:03121290
Fitna, the Movie [16 words]JohnMar 27, 2008 20:55121290
The cold north wind is blowing in vain [688 words]Mohamed AlkilaniApr 6, 2008 08:19121290
Your are not a muslim and we are not your people!!! [37 words]SusanApr 8, 2008 12:40121290
Pepople like you guys causing the trouble to world [32 words]JuliaApr 10, 2008 07:24121290
Sacrum est. Non legatur [46 words]Paul R.Feb 25, 2008 00:56121001
Quranic translations [229 words]dhimmi no moreMar 3, 2008 13:39121001
Defending Freedom of Speech [94 words]GeorgiaFeb 23, 2008 23:12120924
The Show Must Go On [121 words]PhilipFeb 12, 2008 12:28119988
The Light of Freedom must not be dhimmed [59 words]Guy MacherFeb 14, 2008 17:47119988
Freedom of Speech [43 words]tabingins911Feb 8, 2008 15:14119814
Freedom of speech - not for infidels!!! [149 words]JaladhiFeb 12, 2008 16:12119814
muslim psychopathology [82 words]DanFeb 29, 2008 09:06119814
Islam in the West [233 words]Drew.Jan 8, 2009 20:26119814
Moslems, you, and taqiyya and kitman. [1279 words]Jatha CubuFeb 5, 2008 09:30119613
Thanks-Jatha Cubu [71 words]spaFeb 11, 2008 03:04119613
Freedom of speech IS the right to offend [125 words]DintherFeb 1, 2008 18:17119447
It certainly does mean the right to offend [13 words]joebloughFeb 1, 2008 04:47119428
2008?-No, it's 1938 [1440 words]gary fouseJan 31, 2008 17:47119395
After reading your text. [312 words]YnnatchkahFeb 3, 2008 15:35119395
To: Gary Fouse [257 words]Jatha CubuFeb 7, 2008 15:46119395
2008?-No, it's 1938 [163 words]gary fouseFeb 7, 2008 20:00119395
Geert Wilders [39 words]gary fouseNov 5, 2009 14:35119395
To the Netherlands: [34 words]Peter HerzJan 31, 2008 09:05119365
Maxime Verhagen- I have EVERY right to offend [190 words]Blane BurnsJan 29, 2008 12:50119196
In defence of the right to offend [977 words]TomJan 29, 2008 02:33119181
No novels [57 words]Kuchuk LambatFeb 1, 2008 01:51119181
1Must Choose -- Free Speech -- OR -- the Right Not to be Offended -- Can't Have Both [633 words]Sofa SogoodJan 28, 2008 01:27119121
Free Speech vs. I'm Offended prosecution [130 words]jennifer solisFeb 1, 2008 00:59119121
The gauntlet has been thrown down [256 words]Rebecca MouldsJan 27, 2008 14:01119076
We need people that will fight for us... [557 words]B.williameFeb 7, 2008 04:05119076
Dhimmitude [306 words]Jatha CubuJan 25, 2008 12:12118966
Not so fast, Jathu [136 words]DonJan 26, 2008 05:20118966
2THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ISLAM AND CIVILIZATION [555 words]Geno M.Jan 30, 2008 16:59118966
Resist, yes, but under what banner? [304 words]notpassiveFeb 3, 2008 11:26118966
Bloodbath? [80 words]Linda HaslamFeb 3, 2008 11:34118966
And what a grip it is! [165 words]notpassiveFeb 3, 2008 11:43118966
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ISLAM AND CIVILIZATION [42 words]tabingins911Feb 8, 2008 16:14118966
Get rid of political correctness to survive!!! [291 words]JaladhiFeb 11, 2008 17:35118966
Have the film screened in Iran, with "The 300-The Director's Cut" [125 words]DrRJPJan 20, 2008 15:08118632
Labour politician Bouchra Ismaili says to a citizen of Rotterdam: 'Drop dead,' and 'convert to Islam- "...YOU are the Immigrant"... [187 words]YnnatchkahJan 19, 2008 11:39118542
positive direction [73 words]Donald OJan 18, 2008 00:54118439
Very Important Statictics Concerning Koran [308 words]Larry HouleJan 14, 2008 15:39118181
Worship of Mohammad [159 words]JaladhiJan 16, 2008 15:07118181
Proof that Allah is Mohammed's Alter Ego [64 words]Linda HaslamFeb 3, 2008 11:09118181
I agree with you. [267 words]YnnatchkahFeb 4, 2008 21:35118181
2Allah - Mohammad's alter ego!!! [247 words]JaladhiFeb 6, 2008 15:46118181
Trillionars [101 words]Linda HaslamFeb 7, 2008 09:42118181
we all should see it [26 words]Phil GreendJan 11, 2008 19:53118014
Wild Baby [117 words]loveallahJan 8, 2008 23:16117774
Publicity stunt [52 words]MandylifeboatsJan 8, 2008 19:35117762
Idiot or not [447 words]DonJan 20, 2008 20:37117762
"Dead" on [357 words]B.williameFeb 12, 2008 05:29117762
Wilders news suffers from elephantitis [208 words]EvaJan 5, 2008 16:53117561
RE:Wilders news suffers from elephantitis [73 words]Jeff RJan 5, 2008 18:29117561
With Respect to Madam Eva. [653 words]YnnatchkahJan 5, 2008 20:11117561
To Eva. [193 words]YnnatchkahJan 24, 2008 01:52117561
But why should that matter? If he's nobody, why should anyone care? [109 words]OscarJan 27, 2008 20:49117561
Eva [245 words]B.williameFeb 12, 2008 05:50117561
My two cents [131 words]Jon BrooksMar 6, 2008 15:04117561
Let's just watch the film and see the true face of Islam [222 words]Mark AspinallMar 8, 2008 13:41117561
You forgot "Submission" [24 words]MaryJJan 5, 2008 14:36117559
Hanafi Muslims in D.C. [54 words]Jack OlsonJan 3, 2008 09:14117400
Education [112 words]Edward HalperJan 1, 2008 13:30117282
An educated Muslim... [106 words]donvanJan 3, 2008 16:19117282
Formal/Informal Education [234 words]Edward HalperJan 3, 2008 21:11117282
Quite true... [178 words]donvanJan 7, 2008 10:06117282
Three cheers and more [43 words]Charles StewartDec 31, 2007 17:29117239
what values? [19 words]Mariam AJan 3, 2008 04:49117239
SO YOU SAY... [233 words]DONVANJan 4, 2008 09:39117239
reply to Maryam [86 words]LaurenJan 4, 2008 14:29117239
The answer is blowing in the wind [158 words]TomJan 6, 2008 09:00117239
hi [62 words]MariamJan 6, 2008 21:37117239
Miriam...please [340 words]DonJan 20, 2008 00:31117239
To: Donny [312 words]MariamJan 20, 2008 21:39117239
Not in the name of God, Mam. [67 words]DonJan 22, 2008 04:04117239
Mariam [151 words]JeffJan 22, 2008 16:40117239
Mariam [614 words]DriderJan 25, 2008 21:04117239
Jeff ... wake up ... [284 words]ArmaanJan 26, 2008 07:07117239
To Mariam [227 words]Jatha CubuFeb 5, 2008 10:34117239
To Mariam [16 words]gregFeb 12, 2008 00:44117239
To Mariam [85 words]B. WilliameFeb 12, 2008 05:14117239
Getting in touch with Geert [10 words]Doug CorriganFeb 20, 2008 12:30117239
Our dear Miriam: SAT "vocab words", quoting corrupted books and big time islamic falsafa [919 words]dhimmi no moreMar 4, 2008 13:08117239
Demands, Not Requires [75 words]wotthefiqhMar 28, 2008 10:53117239
Contacting Geert [145 words]Sgt FreedomMar 29, 2008 14:32117239
reply to Don [146 words]Feyza erdoganOct 2, 2008 15:35117239
You´re delusioned if you think "Islam is peace." [35 words]DonOct 3, 2008 16:28117239
reply to dhimmi no more:If we discuss the religions,must be responsible about the words [113 words]Feyza ErdoganOct 4, 2008 16:26117239
Leftist collusion in islamic intimidation tactics [61 words]VijayDec 31, 2007 03:09117200
Blessed Be Geert Wilders [7 words]YnnatchkahDec 30, 2007 20:02117164

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