psychosocial disease

Submitted by the Grand Infidel of Kafiristan (Australia), Aug 8, 2009 at 00:37

As an explanation of Mr. Ahmad's original statement "Abandon Islam, abandon Islam". Come and make me, ... unless you're too scared ... to do so. I live in Florida. Prove that I am wrong and come to me unarmed. I am also unarmed. ..."

...Mr. Ahmad writes :

" .. I was never resorting to violence! I was merely challenging another ... who kept repeating the same old tired, stupid mantra to "abandon Islam". Like it would have any effect.'

So, let's get this clear. You weren't resorting to violence - you were inviting a person to Florida to discuss facets of Islam over a cup of coffee then? The fact that you bring in the phrase '.....unless you're too scared' and '...and come to me unarmed. I am also unarmed. ..." has nothing to do with a suggestion of some physical challenge does it?

How could anyone even think that was what was meant?

"....As for Wafa Sultan, if that's what she really said, she has lost all credibility with me."

Yes - that's what she really said - and the gunning down in cold blood of people that she knew by Islamists on a mission from Allah was what she witnessed first hand. If the same had happened - or does happen to you - would you still hold the same attitudes ? Does anybody who disagrees with what you currently believe to be true loses all credibility with you? Is that more especially if that person is an ex- Muslim or do they draw special ire? The thing is - there are many, many ex-Muslims with similar tales. Why is that?

"I know what I was raised with. And so were many other Muslims like myself. "

What she is basically saying is that the Islamic system of belief is a psychosocial disease. She's not bagging Muslims per se. Each person is an individual. I'm sure there's many good people who are Muslims simply because they have no choice to be otherwise. And of course there are those people who live in free societies where they are allowed to have that chouce but cling to their beliefs for various reasons - acceptance and power within their sub culture because they can't make it in the wider community. Or perhaps just because they are comfortable with the Muslim status quo.

"For Wafa Sultan to lump us all together in one anti-Western bundle is incredibly puerile of her, and ... of you to buy into it."

That is your opinion of what she has said. Which specific parts do you object to?

"...Go educate yourself before getting back to me."

Educated on what? How many lessons does one need to draw the inference that Muslim beliefs cause many individuals in many parts of the world to start exhibiting increasingly destructive patterns of behaviour that endanger the lives of unrelated human beings? If islamic beliefs help you live your life - that's great for you. But unfortunately other muslims draw different conclusions from reading the same material. In their eyes - you are the deluded one. Any different interpretation is seen as 'revisionism' . One of myriad of recent examples of the intractible nature of the Islamist beast

- http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2009\08\07\story_7-8-2009_pg7_30

and the hypocrisy of moderate muslims:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jonathanwynne-jones/100005577/archbishop-condemns-persecution-of-christians-while-muslims-stay-quiet/

Surprisingly - we don't hear or see similar stories from apopleptic Buddhist, Jews, Sikhs, Jains, Hindus, Bahais, Christians or atheists for that matter. Why would that be? Why are they also not so collectively agrieved and donning suicide vests, setting bombs in hotels, restaurants and public places? Or as has just come to light in my own country - setting up an attack on a military base in the country they've lived in and been supported by for decades?

To dismiss them as all isolated incidents and nothing to do with the 'real' islam (whatever that may be) is a facile argument and does not address the crux of the matter. However well-intentioned 'good' muslims are - there are tracts in their scriptures which can easily be 'misinterpreted' by those with the inclination to find an reason at all to harm their perceived enemies.

BTW, this is a public forum - and comments are meant for public consumption - not necessarily as a reply to any points you have made.

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