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Sending in Helo Gunships not Going to Solve This One

Reader comment on item: Back to the Shores of Tripoli?
in response to reader comment: Update II - Send in the Apaches - Bust instead, Obama crumbles and caves in again

Submitted by M. Tovey (United States), Apr 4, 2011 at 19:03

We find ourselves in a conundrum: seeing a challenge to seeking a peaceful solution for a people seemingly desirous of freedom; and the alleged leadership of the free world not able to provide a sense that there is a common goal in providing that freedom. Libya indeed presents complicated challenges in light of the fact the Libyans are only one part of a conga line on the road to unrest in the Middle East. The synchronicity of it all is as thick as the cordite filled air seen on the world media.

With Iraq still in the immediate rear view mirror and Afghani targets filling the HUD's of Air resources giving support to the forces on the ground, costing the United States billions, there should be no wonder that engaging in yet another 'police action' does not present itself as a very intelligent option to expend yet more American resources when it is more than well known we are not really wanted there except by a very few. In this one instance of trying to ply American good intentions, a really good diplomatic solution backed by the military resolve of more invested nations than America should have been the answer.

Complicating this is that one of the more invested nations, Germany, was found lacking creditability, possibly for good reason, but which proved problematic in any event. Then there is the questionable intentions of other powers to the north.

Another sequence of circumstances circumferential to the Libyan situation presents itself as potentially underlining the reasons for the political feint, to which the rest of the world may not be aware, being unnoticed for the cause of political criticism on all sides. Were this just about Libya, then the questioning of motives for going in or not going in could be debated for the purportedly simple reasons the United Stated formed the coalition to intervene in Iraq. Such is not the case.

The unrest in the other Arabesque nations are not merely coincidental, but are connected in a way not easily seen by the western world. And before anyone characterizes again about these indigenous peoples and the denizens amongst them clamoring to get regime change as a motive for instilling and installing democracy, think again. Egypt's chance for democracy is neutralized by the military, and seems likely to remain so for the duration. Small wonder, for Mubarak enjoyed his stay only as a former military apparatchik; his successors are not familiar with democratization and are understandably reluctant to let democracy crowd them out.

Qaddafi has seen the handwriting on the wall, and does not have the same type of 'goodwill' gestures accorded to Mubarak, since Mubarak did not have complicity in downing a civilian passenger airliner. Qaddafi has good reason to hold on for as long as he can. While there is little reason to say that Qaddafi has a good strategy, his tactical prowess remains intact. He did not hold onto power this long for no reason.

But let there be consideration of why Libya has been targeted for intervention when so many other places are just as exposed for the lack of a peaceful solution. Libya is isolated tactically, and little interference can be expected from any 'allies' Qaddafi might have. After all, he bought the intentions of much of the forces fighting for him. If there was a real way to keep his forces at bay, how is it that fighting still goes on when there is limited chances of getting a payday for the mercenaries and others owing allegiance to Qaddafi?. Definitively, he HAS to win.

Conversely, the subliminal undertones of a regime change in Libya can be understood if more information about the true intentions of a replacement government could be discerned. In other similar interventions, there was at least a semblance of a nucleic government ready to move in similar fashion to the fall of the Soviet Union. In the other areas of unrest in the Middle East, what replacement proposals for new government are being offered that one might point to and at least say that Iraq is a model?

No such offering is easily seen in the game plan by the American Administrative Executive, but the push to force the ejection of Qaddafi by forces now being 'supported' by American resources is in motion, leaving to speculation what the final result might be. What remains to be seen is the hint of coordination in the background as the potential to upset Qaddafi has a more distinctive undertone of a regime change of a different sort flying a green flag of solidarity.

And as always, with everything else going on, it is evidently 'on' again in Israel: and one cannot help but speculate that 'that' connection is the one still to be on the lookout for. And former President Bush did America no favors by insisting Israel continue to barter away land for peace. It did not pan out while he was president, nor will it for any successor, especially the current one.

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NewsFlash [164 words]Jules PostenApr 3, 2011 19:14183843
2Why The US Must Follow Through and Eliminate Gaddafi [1648 words]Michel C. ZalaMar 29, 2011 12:52183697
1Update - Only 24h after handing command over to NATO [853 words]MichelC. ZalaMar 30, 2011 10:05183697
1Update II - Send in the Apaches - Bust instead, Obama crumbles and caves in again [1281 words]Michel C. ZalaApr 1, 2011 14:14183697
Sending in Helo Gunships not Going to Solve This One [838 words]M. ToveyApr 4, 2011 19:03183697
1Tovey - many valid arguments - by now we seem to move towards the worst case scenario [2679 words]Michel C. ZalaApr 6, 2011 13:43183697
Worst Case Scenario? - the Worst is Yet to Appear.......... [161 words]M. ToveyApr 7, 2011 19:08183697
Very astute observation - and by the way - I am American - just happen to live in exile. [1279 words]Michel C ZalaApr 8, 2011 10:40183697
Observations of More at Work than the Libyan (and other causes of unrest) Diversion [642 words]M. ToveyApr 11, 2011 12:07183697
You pegged me well, Mr. Tovey. [403 words]Michel C. ZalaApr 12, 2011 11:24183697
A Revelation of Current Circumstances in These Melancholy Times [786 words]M. ToveyApr 13, 2011 12:51183697
1Solace in Faith - Good for you - but in my view, common sense has left the building [2259 words]Michel C. ZalaApr 14, 2011 13:17183697
And When Common Sense Does Finally Leave the Building - Only Biblical Truth Remains [826 words]M. ToveyApr 18, 2011 17:56183697
4Revelation - Does that mean Armageddon? [1546 words]Michel C. ZalaApr 20, 2011 10:04183697
Revelation - Armageddon? - Eventually, But Also So Much More [1136 words]M. ToveyApr 20, 2011 19:20183697
Those words of Love [484 words]Michel C. ZalaApr 23, 2011 10:39183697
Humanity in Disobedience to a Central Command of Life - Love Almighty God [2604 words]M. ToveyApr 25, 2011 17:23183697
Why Libya Stretches the Credibility of Compassion by Almighty God - It is Man that Wars by Choice [509 words]M. ToveyApr 25, 2011 19:42183697
Did the fat lady sing? [359 words]Michel C. ZalaApr 28, 2011 10:57183697
Fat Ladies Do Not Sing the Marine Hymn - But a Different Tune is Needed to Get Away From Libya [773 words]M. ToveyApr 28, 2011 19:41183697
1Remember Taliban and Soviet union [126 words]Muslimk***Mar 28, 2011 04:39183659
There's More To It [133 words]Barry BlackApr 1, 2011 11:21183659
13 times no: no benefit, no friend, no priority [253 words]mythMar 24, 2011 06:36183567
Gaddafi is a threat to the USA [220 words]Rob RileyMar 21, 2011 11:00183521
Qadaffi is not the Threat-Only the Symbol of the Greater Threat [441 words]M. ToveyMar 23, 2011 12:17183521
what is Quaddafi really thinking [44 words]mythMar 24, 2011 06:50183521
5Please, not another! [143 words]Peter J. HerzMar 19, 2011 15:56183488
questions [47 words]tamMar 16, 2011 23:43183454
2We didn't intervene in Algeria [68 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
There is NO Santa ClausMar 16, 2011 07:24183440
a brilliant strategist [9 words]Mark LysellMar 13, 2011 14:50183367
Air only [155 words]Jay1Mar 13, 2011 11:13183364
What would be self determination in Lybia? [223 words]Breno LimaMar 13, 2011 09:29183360
A Chance for America [515 words]Michel C. ZalaMar 15, 2011 12:39183360
Air power [100 words]Joe Six-packMar 12, 2011 09:51183342
Protect our interests [118 words]Rebecca MouldsMar 11, 2011 10:59183320
If oil is the only consideration then it is no wonder we are not trusted. [50 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiMar 13, 2011 04:49183320
Stopping the monster Ghaddafi [66 words]Rebecca MouldsMar 13, 2011 21:01183320
1DO NOT ARM LIBYIAN REBELS-IT MIGHT BACKFIRE IN FACE OF US [159 words]Ilene RichmanMar 11, 2011 09:31183318
1Fairly lucid argument until the end. [152 words]ElvisXMar 12, 2011 00:11183318
1International Authorization???? [291 words]SusanMar 10, 2011 22:30183271
6Keep them busy fighting themselves [51 words]LaxmanMar 13, 2011 14:46183271
Send in the Marines [135 words]Edward ClineMar 10, 2011 22:24183270
2Leave them alone [151 words]BAMar 10, 2011 18:51183264
"Back to the shores of TRIPOLI" Hoooooaaaaa [279 words]vigilant101Mar 10, 2011 18:29183263
2Please No More. [52 words]Dr.Louis FanningMar 10, 2011 17:20183260
1The U. S. Does Not Need to Solve This One [543 words]M. ToveyMar 10, 2011 17:15183259
1We need to stay out altogether - period. [164 words]kmanMar 13, 2011 17:10183259
Is America likely to do something for greater good? [121 words]Amin RiazMar 10, 2011 16:56183258
17What has the Islamic world done for anybody lately? [259 words]SusanMar 10, 2011 22:53183258
Wrong Perspective or the Wrong Spectacles? [250 words]Amin RiazMar 12, 2011 01:14183258
4Islamic hypocrisy [291 words]dhimmi no moreMar 13, 2011 10:30183258
8islamic hypocrisy 2 [1022 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMar 14, 2011 07:43183258
How about the Arab League? [254 words]JeffMar 16, 2011 13:15183258
Difficult Concepts [26 words]Amin RiazMar 16, 2011 22:19183258
End is near [479 words]Amin RiazMar 16, 2011 22:49183258
10Pornistan aka Pakistan read and laugh [456 words]dhimmi no moreMar 17, 2011 13:08183258
5muslim hypocrisy 3 [1093 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMar 17, 2011 22:32183258
Amin Riaz is on right track [197 words]GeorgeMar 18, 2011 00:54183258
8Pakistanis are number one consumers of porn on the web! ROTFL [349 words]dhimmi no moreMar 18, 2011 07:45183258
6Pornography drinking and gambling in Lahore! What a scandal [293 words]dhimmi no moreMar 19, 2011 14:04183258
A Small Victory over Dhimmi [372 words]Amin RiazMar 25, 2011 05:02183258
Lying, Being Selective, Being ignorant or Plain Simpleton [191 words]Amin RiazMar 25, 2011 05:24183258
A quest [153 words]Amin RiazMar 25, 2011 05:43183258
7Gem time [188 words]dhimmi no moreMar 27, 2011 15:46183258
4If the West is doomed then leave and good riddance [61 words]dhimmi no moreMar 27, 2011 17:05183258
4Pornistan aka Pakistan read and laugh part deux [245 words]dhimmi no moreMar 27, 2011 17:45183258
1Islamic hypocrisy and ignorance [143 words]dhimmi no moreMar 27, 2011 18:06183258
8But our dear Amin: if you do not like the west than Irhal!! Oh Irhal? Itr means get lost [115 words]dhimmi no moreMar 28, 2011 08:00183258
5Islamic hypocrisy revisited and the dancing boys of Afghanistan and Pakistan aka Bacha Bazi [222 words]dhimmi no moreMar 29, 2011 13:32183258
Another Victory [63 words]Amin RiazMar 29, 2011 18:51183258
6Child abuse in Afghanistan and Pornistan I mean Pakistan and what victory? [78 words]dhimmi no moreMar 30, 2011 07:16183258
1Kindergarten [452 words]Michel C ZalaMar 31, 2011 10:54183258
2wishful thinking! [168 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanApr 1, 2011 04:51183258
What a load of rubbish [59 words]Amin RiazApr 1, 2011 11:35183258
True! [32 words]Amin RiazApr 1, 2011 11:37183258
4more crocodile tears [1166 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanApr 2, 2011 09:48183258
4Islamic hypocrisy and ignorance [413 words]dhimmi no moreApr 4, 2011 07:19183258
2Michel is still looking for his "moderate Muslim" [159 words]dhimmi no moreApr 4, 2011 07:49183258
6Dancing boys of Pornistan I mean Pakistan and Afghanistan and serial number one [151 words]dhimmi no moreApr 4, 2011 15:29183258
6Islamic sources and child abuse serial number two [232 words]dhimmi no moreApr 4, 2011 15:44183258
3And speaking of Pakistani madrassas and child abuse serial number three [179 words]dhimmi no moreApr 4, 2011 15:54183258
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1I could not care less about Amin and his standard Taliban Talking Points. [480 words]Michel C. ZalaApr 5, 2011 14:40183258
1Giving Audience Does Not Necessarily Give Credence [372 words]M. ToveyApr 6, 2011 18:11183258
There it is...... Agreement [175 words]Michel C. ZalaApr 7, 2011 10:39183258
6real change is unlikely [1207 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanApr 9, 2011 06:33183258
3Well framed counter argument [1069 words]Michel C. ZalaApr 10, 2011 15:14183258
1Pakistan no.1 in search of pornographic material? [518 words]NargisJun 12, 2011 23:00183258
1Nargis' letter still needs some comments [212 words]PrashantJun 13, 2011 18:32183258
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Disarm, don't arm, the O-zone [320 words]Jan B.Mar 10, 2011 16:17183257
No-Fly Zone [225 words]
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NickMar 10, 2011 14:47183256
However risky that course, doing nothing is yet riskier. ??? [360 words]JACQUES HADIDAMar 10, 2011 12:33183255
1Back to the shores of Tripoli [170 words]Francis ThorntonMar 10, 2011 12:02183254
2How can tyrants go against tyrants? [6 words]Amin RiazMar 12, 2011 01:16183254
1International "social work cannot be the U.S. government purpose".... [95 words]Arnold L. GoldmanMar 10, 2011 11:22183253
Then stop all the bleating.... [161 words]Amin RiazMar 10, 2011 20:19183253
If, in the face of an obvious moral imperative you choose to do nothing you will pay a very great price indeed. [31 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiMar 11, 2011 00:29183253
Not All Americans are Black Sheep [209 words]M. ToveyMar 15, 2011 19:35183253
Failings [141 words]Amin RiazMar 15, 2011 21:09183253
2Failing to Understand Real Christianity-The Truth is That Jesus Christ Says to Love [366 words]M. ToveyMar 17, 2011 14:56183253
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Morality of the Immorals [15 words]Amin RiazMar 12, 2011 01:39183251

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