69 million page views

Immigration to the US: Pork Eating, Muhammad Painting, Fatwa Fleeing, or Gay Muslims

Reader comment on item: Identifying Islamists through Interrogations

Submitted by Robert (United States), Mar 8, 2016 at 12:34

About half a century ago Europe had gone through the Protestant Reformation, a consequence of which was the termination of execution by Burning Alive at the Stake. It appears that Islam now is faced with the prospect of its own "reformation." Unfortunately, there is no current known popular "reformer," like Martin Luther, who was under the protection from the Catholic Pope by a Sovereign King in Germany.

Accordingly, we should have an immigration policy that looks to creating forums in the United States for Muslim immigrants who have become secular, or liberal, and wish to promote the right to eat Ham Sandwiches. Similarly, there may be great Muslim painters who wish to restore the Persian custom of painting great portraits of Muhammad - just like the Renaissance painters had done in Europe; these artists should be granted permission to immigrate to the United States. Victims of a Fatwa, like Rushdie, who are under a death threat, and in danger of being executed, as has just happened to a prosecutor in Pakistan, should also be granted the right to asylum in the United States. And of course, Muslims who are Gay, for which condition they are being hanged in Iran, would also do the reform of Islam a great good by being allowed to the protection of liberty loving Americans; this would particularly help reform since there are something like 1.5 billion Muslims in the world (don't quote me on this number), and assuming that a significant percentage are homosexual, their immigration to the USA would hopefully give a voice to sexual orientation freedom in Islam.

Essentially, the United States should become proactive in encouraging the reform of Islam - just as the Kings and Princes of Europe had become protectors of the Protestants who rebelled against Roman Catholicism and had to flee The Inquisition, and being Burned Alive for the Crime of Heresy.

We must remember that our Constitutions (at least 51, by counting those of the 50 states) is the Law of the Land of the United States and its Territories which grants rights to its own Citizens and Residents (including Illegal Residents); it does not extend to foreigners who have not yet landed on its shores. Therefore, we Americans are totally free to determine for ourselves who will become one of us. And if we feel that too many Muslims outside our shores or borders are "Un-American," there is nothing in our Constitution (federal) to prohibit us from Discriminating as to whom we wish to Reside among us, or to become our fellow Citizens.

We do not live in a perfect world. To discriminate, unjustly, against a fellow American, citizen or resident, is Unconstitutional, as well as Immoral. But the opposite is true when it comes to Muslims who are currently, for example, in the Middle East, and want to come here because they cannot live as Muslims among their own followers of the Profit Muhammad. It is rather ironic - to say the least - that because these peoples are massacring each other in the name of Muhammad abroad, we should grant them permission to come here to practice the very religion which is the source of their conflict. Of course, a similar even happened in our own past, when the fanatic Puritans fled to settle in our Colonies - Salem, Mass. The result was burning of women as witches. And we as Americans have suffered for quite some time from the extreme puritanicalism which was transported to our shores when the Cromwell's Revolution failed. Why should we create a haven for Muslims who have not yet reformed their religion for life in the 21st Century? Furthermore, do we need the dissemination of the lie that Islam is a religion of peace? Similarly, the word, Islamophobia, appears like an oxymoron: only the innocence of a child ("The Emperor has no Cloths") can see that with 15% Islamists among the Muslims (using Daniel Pipe's statistic) Islam, or Muslims are to be feared: in a room of 100 random Muslims, and you paint a picture of Muhammad, an unknown 15 of them will contemplate kill; but maybe only one will do so!

Dislike
Submitting....

Note: Opinions expressed in comments are those of the authors alone and not necessarily those of Daniel Pipes. Original writing only, please. Comments are screened and in some cases edited before posting. Reasoned disagreement is welcome but not comments that are scurrilous, off-topic, commercial, disparaging religions, or otherwise inappropriate. For complete regulations, see the "Guidelines for Reader Comments".

Submit a comment on this item

Reader comments (77) on this item

Title Commenter Date Thread
President Trumps edict [44 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Leslie SatensteinJan 30, 2017 21:47236085
Interview would not work [88 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
VanderSep 9, 2016 17:08232486
Ted Cruz and Frank Gaffney are going to make IslamISM and national security the focus of the election, [505 words]JOHN MOOREMar 21, 2016 20:23228516
Immigration to the US: Pork Eating, Muhammad Painting, Fatwa Fleeing, or Gay Muslims [693 words]RobertMar 8, 2016 12:34228358
Too complicated [46 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
MalcolmMar 4, 2016 17:32228308
Too complicated [105 words]KBKMar 28, 2016 13:15228308
they'll just practice lying about it [33 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Bernardo StevensFeb 27, 2016 18:29228250
by their actions [125 words]johnjFeb 11, 2016 00:58228036
2Who appoints the interrogators? [179 words]Gary KaneFeb 10, 2016 06:02228020
Arabim. [60 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Adar.Feb 7, 2016 22:15227975
1More info, please! [42 words]David FarerJan 30, 2016 15:33227869
Islamism in the Republican Debate [252 words]John MooreJan 29, 2016 09:31227847
Not so simple [103 words]AnonJan 27, 2016 01:54227826
Yes, the one's who pass this review that will never be used can still "turn" at any time [251 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Mike ConlonFeb 8, 2016 18:47227826
3no difference in muslim vs, islamist [252 words]aldo moltifioriJan 26, 2016 16:42227823
Your analysis is the same as Trump's [102 words]Jay GettyJan 24, 2016 09:59227797
complex problem [20 words]srinivasanJan 23, 2016 14:14227790
humanism and cooperation are the eternal solution [45 words]srinivasanJan 23, 2016 14:07227789
6naturally [52 words]William BradfordJan 22, 2016 13:49227782
1Profiling Yes or No [21 words]dhimmi no moreJan 25, 2016 13:29227782
Feasibility [121 words]John VagabondJan 21, 2016 14:47227769
That screening process [131 words]Ed MoiseJan 21, 2016 12:25227768
3Maybe Trump and PEGIDA have a point [292 words]Kepha HorJan 20, 2016 21:38227763
Proper interrogation [56 words]dianaJan 19, 2016 10:10227752
2Stay in your own country if you don't want to follow their laws!! [111 words]JaladhiJan 19, 2016 07:30227751
Muslims should do some soul searching [97 words]PrashantJan 21, 2016 23:31227751
Who are we really trying to exclude? [292 words]James LuceJan 18, 2016 10:01227733
Putting the horse in back of the cart [47 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Max CohenJan 18, 2016 06:38227728
1Identifying Islamists [123 words]Manuel AdameJan 17, 2016 18:02227713
4the poison fruit of the Muslim tree [241 words]Charles MartelJan 16, 2016 17:42227695
4Non-Islamists are also a danger! [129 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Rich McJan 15, 2016 14:53227676
2gravitate toward sharia [199 words]mythJan 18, 2016 18:55227676
The Continuum between Islam and islamism [228 words]PhilipFeb 23, 2016 09:23227676
Clarification of arguments [241 words]PhilipFeb 26, 2016 07:26227676
Assassins [32 words]BlitzJan 15, 2016 10:24227672
back to square one [48 words]mythJan 15, 2016 07:02227670
2Trump's comments not inconsistent with Dr. Pipes' [62 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Rich McMahonJan 15, 2016 00:57227669
Muslims and why I re-think constantly [494 words]AlbertJan 14, 2016 22:49227666
Makes sense [42 words]MikeJan 14, 2016 16:55227660
1Buck stops with Muslims'... [117 words]MuhammadJan 14, 2016 15:29227659
Reply to fake Muhammad [59 words]Aamir ImtiazJan 25, 2016 21:32227659
1Circular reasoning [154 words]PrashantJan 29, 2016 00:09227659
A good step forward [538 words]WeMustResistJan 13, 2016 21:40227646
Everyone wants their team to win [145 words]Darwin BJan 13, 2016 20:19227644
There are more teams than Islam! [362 words]DemsciJan 22, 2016 04:09227644
Why bother? [63 words]ktchnsnkJan 13, 2016 19:56227642
Distinguish more between the good + the rest, than between the bad + the rest [267 words]DemsciJan 13, 2016 16:59227639
It's easier to make the case that America must stop "Jihadist sympathisers" from moving to America [248 words]Anon.Jan 13, 2016 16:56227638
A Red Under Every Bed? [110 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
TL WinslowJan 13, 2016 13:11227634
Fine Plan, But PC Extremism Huge Obstacle [159 words]DaveJan 13, 2016 13:11227633
The key question to ask [348 words]AnonJan 13, 2016 12:48227632
Probable Method [61 words]Darlene CasellaJan 13, 2016 12:36227628
1So different from Trump? [349 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
BarryJan 13, 2016 12:27227627
In search for Moderate Islam [104 words]UgriJan 13, 2016 10:54227624
All this still not enough? [103 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Peter ChewJan 13, 2016 10:39227621
Politics Art of the Possible not practice of the Granular [160 words]Brendan DoranJan 13, 2016 09:39227619
Deja Vu [71 words]Barry BlackJan 13, 2016 09:32227616
ID of Islamists [151 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
AndrewJan 13, 2016 09:21227615
Not Good Enough. And [141 words]Gary SackJan 13, 2016 09:12227614
Waste of time [195 words]PhilipJan 13, 2016 08:12227613
repudiation required [146 words]rwJan 13, 2016 03:06227605
11Identifying Islamists [145 words]Haile SresserJan 13, 2016 01:02227601
agree with Haile Sresser [81 words]lippyJan 13, 2016 11:03227601
3Islam [58 words]Robin RosenblattJan 13, 2016 00:40227600
13Why should we go to all the trouble? [154 words]Paul137Jan 13, 2016 00:31227599
1But, why is this our problem? [128 words]SAKOVKTJan 14, 2016 18:09227599
Muslims and the American Dream [145 words]AlbertJan 14, 2016 22:33227599
1Indeed, why we should go through this exercise in futility!! [67 words]JaladhiJan 19, 2016 20:02227599
6Just hire Israelis only for TSA, and let them do their stuff [165 words]Michael SJan 12, 2016 23:53227597
9What happens when those apparent moderates raise islamist kids? [10 words]FCJan 12, 2016 22:41227594
1All Muslims are Islamists! [61 words]JaladhiJan 13, 2016 09:54227594
Brilliant idea [36 words]EugeneJan 14, 2016 06:49227594
1I agree, mostly [142 words]PhilipJan 18, 2016 07:59227594
Westernized Muslims [64 words]probityrulesFeb 22, 2016 03:19227594
Further in response [194 words]PhilipFeb 26, 2016 06:58227594
Further on Opposing Islamists, Deception, Britz [639 words]probityrulesMar 7, 2016 19:07227594
Response to Probityrules comments [532 words]PhilipMar 9, 2016 04:39227594

Follow Daniel Pipes

Facebook   Twitter   RSS   Join Mailing List

All materials by Daniel Pipes on this site: © 1968-2024 Daniel Pipes. daniel.pipes@gmail.com and @DanielPipes

Support Daniel Pipes' work with a tax-deductible donation to the Middle East Forum.Daniel J. Pipes

(The MEF is a publicly supported, nonprofit organization under section 501(c)3 of the Internal Revenue Code.

Contributions are tax deductible to the full extent allowed by law. Tax-ID 23-774-9796, approved Apr. 27, 1998.

For more information, view our IRS letter of determination.)