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Muslim Religious War, Arab Nationalist/Racist War, and Palestinian Civil War

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Submitted by Ludvikus (United States), Jan 1, 2018 at 12:18

Dear Dr. Daniel Pipes,

Are the arguments below non-strategic - merely advocating for one side or the other?

1) Because Militant Islam, aka Islamism is founded on the teaching of Mohammad, the alleged Messenger of God, "Peace be upon him," the world is therefore in a state of religious warfare somewhat similar the the Protestant Reformation. But in this case, its extreme Sunni Muslims against all others, Jews, Christians, Shia, etc.

2) The militant struggle of most Arab people and nations against the Israeli Jews in particular, but all outside Zionists, Jews and Christians, is a Nationalist/Racist focused on the establishment of a non-Arab state, a Jewish State, a Western state, with Jerusalem as its capital.

3) The territory carved of of the Ottoman Empire by Britain in particular during World War One and named Palestine has been in a continuous state of civil war between the Arabs of Palestine and the Jews of Israel for over a hundred years; what differentiates this civil war is the extent of interference of outside powers, including the United Nations. National states in the 19th century emerged primarily when "races" were still merely "nations"; Zionism was not a religious Jewish movement - it was a Jewish nationalism movement like that of other peoples, except perhaps the Arabs, who never quite succeeded in separating Arabs from their Islam - Nasser's Egyptian national socialism was an attempt, but he confused the Egyptian Arabs with Pan-Arabism and failed when he lost his provoked war against Israel in 1967. Israel no only defeated the local battle against the Palestinians (Civil war) but also it defeated the international component, of Egypt Syria, Jordan, and Iraq, countries which fought on behalf of Arabs and Muslims (a "race" and a "religion" respectively).

In conclusion, there is no way for Israel to achieve a Victory merely through its vast superiority on the field of military battle; what American Critical Theory calls "Narrative" is extremely important. It is what the Israelis call Hasbara. One instance is the case of calling post-1967 War "conquered" Palestinian territories "OCCUPIED" rather than "LIBERATED" (from Egypt and Jordan).

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Daniel Pipes replies:

Regarding your conclusion: No doubt, defeat involves the psychological as well as the military dimension. That is why it is important for the U.S. and other governments to remind the Palestinians repeatedly that the jig is up and they lost.

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Title Commenter Date Thread
Agree! [4 words]MehmetOct 15, 2019 01:51255431
Israel victory [53 words]Simms PearlJul 5, 2018 20:46243612
2What will happen after Israeli victory? [298 words]PrashantJul 21, 2018 22:11243612
No substitute for victory. [323 words]Reynald de ChatillonMar 19, 2018 02:15242513
Fatah apparently doesn't like the idea of Israel victory [53 words]PezDispenserFeb 1, 2018 16:00242038
1The Last Samurai, Palestinian Style [106 words]PezDispenserJan 27, 2018 12:58242001
One way train! [56 words]
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BenJan 24, 2018 10:48241969
1Self Selection [99 words]DajjalJan 28, 2018 19:12241969
3Train Wrecks Can Be Fun, Too! [42 words]UNCLE VLADDIJan 31, 2018 18:14241969
1Not MESA Nostra! [22 words]DajjalFeb 1, 2018 21:00241969
3Peace in Palestine [100 words]MarkJan 13, 2018 16:12241843
So... [37 words]LeslieJan 4, 2018 17:55241761
2The River Of Blood [115 words]
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1666, Jerusalem and Ludicrous Speed [950 words]Michael SJan 14, 2018 14:23241760
1Confusion! [63 words]DajjalJan 15, 2018 02:23241760
1Eternity [82 words]DajjalJan 15, 2018 02:32241760
Islam will come crumbling down. [208 words]Michael SJan 24, 2018 04:27241760
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Teach, teach and educate the White House, Cogress [191 words]NuritGJan 3, 2018 20:06241759
1Risky endeavor not necessary [485 words]SamJan 3, 2018 15:13241754
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2Jews as Citizens of Disputed Palestine [250 words]RobertDec 13, 2017 10:36241555
3Robert has a nice suggestion [209 words]PrashantDec 31, 2017 10:19241555
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