Thanks for Dr Pipes and replies for Infidel

Submitted by Harrak (Canada), Jun 18, 2006 at 02:08

Thanks Dr Pipes for the correction all answers received...much appreciated.

Infidel, you made a very strong and balanced argument. Yes, that is true that Bin Laden was rich and so the rest of engineers mentioned. I can see- and will explain why- that your nice and valid argument is like a nice and valid piece of a French cheese called La Vache Qui Rit. Here is the moment when the expiry of your argument starts. We agree that the terrorists were rich. The point is that the terrorist being rich does not limit the conflict between them and the rich. At the same time, that does not make them a representative of the poor either. The terrorists can be seen as a flame that jumped from a big fire. Now even the terrorists cause can be red from a class clash theory. See, Ossama Bin Laden always refered to the West as the guardian of dictators and robber of resources!! the religion implication of Bin Laden and his like is only the vehicle that carried the flame of the big fire (conflict between the rich and the poor) that happened to hurt the rich.

Every body knows Carlos. A Christian terrorist that was for Palestine and for Panarabism etc..(he is serving life in France after being caught in Sudan). That is another flame -Christian- that voiced out the fire I mentioned. As you see, religion does not play here.

Another, and hopefully mouth watering one I want to add here. The religion in modern politics was utilized by the west in many instances; in Arabist Jihadism against the Ottomans provoked and encouraged by the Brits, The cold war where America trained Mujahedeen (or American trained terrorists) to fight on its behalf the USSR, and The creation of Israel by the west to exterminate in a civilized way the existance of the Jews and their influence in Europe..are examples of the West utilizing religion for several long term strategic planning purposes. This same west is now utilizing Islam for many known and other unknown strategic planning purposes. I can not deny that states like I.R. Iran have learned very VERY very well how to utilize religion against the west. The terrorist and other groups also now learned how to utilize religion in the conflict management.

Sayying that, I believe people may have expiring but now-valid arguments in defining the current world political readings. Nevertheless, the real non-expiring argument -I believe- is the existance of the North South conflict. The struggle of the badly poor against the unfairly rich.

This was no communism, this is called social democratic ideas...I am just never able to chew -never mind swallow- the tasteless idea that 1% of the population of a country are in control of the more than 80% of the wealth...people seem to be happy with that...CNN, beer and pop corn..when they hear that their country will go to war, the reply like in a pub..god will it...empty pockets and 40 years mortgage...and still smiling!

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