To Nabil

Submitted by PCMadness (New Zealand), Aug 18, 2006 at 06:38

"You guys are absolutely pathetic. I came to this forum wanting to help look for signs in people and in my fellow Muslims in particular that could be used to identify potential terrorists."

Listen mate, We've been on this forum a long time and generally all I have found from your muslim brothers is diversionary tactics, excuses, blame, double talk and an unwillingness to enter fully into any debate, especially when proved wrong.

" That’s not going to happen...ever, God be Willing, so please don’t waste your time and mine. I want suggestions and support with regard to finding these loony tunes. As long as I’m not out there supporting Osama bin Laden or his merry band of cutthroats in any way whatsoever, my beliefs are mine to maintain and cherish and are none of your business, just as I couldn’t care less if you worshipped God or Jesus or Satan or the Korean-American goddess of cyberspace."

Start looking in Iran, then Pakistan, then Syria, then Iraq, then afghanistan, then Lebanon, then Palestine, then Chechnya, then Indonesia, soon Somalia and then every single major city in the western world. I could go on. You speak like it's a handful of people. There are thousands upon thousands (or is it millions on millions) of these loony tunes, can you explain to me why? Can you explain to me who is stirring such fanaticism in so many people?

Maybe it's a movement within Islam, maybe this is just Islam fullstop. Frankly I don't give a stuff. All I can say is 5 years ago I had no interest whatsoever in Islam what it stood for or who followed it. It was their business and their choice. now it's a different story. The world is on fire, caused by these loonies as you put it, yet nothing is convincing me that "moderate", "normal" muslims are capable or inclined to change anything.

So then I start asking if this is the plan anyway, the aim of Islam. It is certainly the aim of some Islamic leaders such as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

"When it comes to taking back Islam from the fundamentalists, you guys haven’t helped out in the least bit. Who needs Al Jazeera when people like you are out there literally agreeing with Osama bin Laden with regard to what he thinks Islam is? You’re doing his work for him. If I were in his place, which I can never see myself being in, I would have been grateful for you and your work here. Congratulations on a job well done!"

So it's our fault again!!! It's you that let them have it in the first place without so much as a word of objection and now you can't get it back.

Do these fundamentalists really have so much power over a community. When I see Placards in London calling for beheadings I feel like ramming it down their throat. How can a fundamentalist like Abu Hamza walk into a mosque at finnesbury park and take over without a word from the community. How can one or two in a community yield so much power. Is it fear? Is it threats? Or do the majority agree with them.

"You think you can make a difference in the world? You’re in the wrong place. If any of you are US Citizens and are not in the US military already, go and sign up for active duty today. I wish I could, too, but I can’t due to my residency status here"

Why join the army, all western countries need to clean up their own backyards before going abroad. Or are you suggesting that the army should raid a few mosques in downtown New York. Fundamental Islam is here, all around us. Who knows when the fun loving kid that lived next door goes on a rampage, or straps on a bomb. Until the muslim community that has been silent for so long stands up to these fundamentalists and shop them in to the authorites nothing will change.

I doubt that will happen because as is clear from most muslims on this forum, you are muslim first and ....... well that's it.

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