Alexander you might want to consider this....

Submitted by Homefront (Australia), Mar 20, 2007 at 20:52

Alexander,

Fleeing the USSR makes your position that of person I am simpatico with, at least partially, so I will argue this carefully. Whilst you seem to be implying that the course of western civilization has been towards the lowest common denominator and therefore a form of socialism whether we acknowledge it or not. This trend is certainly true of the mixed model economies of Europe but does it reflect the U.S. or the rest of our societies. In many ways it is in fact severable from the bulk of European societies as well and truly cannot be said to constitute an expression of the will of the people. European migration policy and multiculturalism are regarded suspiciously by the bulk of the inhabitants of the continent and this is not without cause. Never has anything more unnatural been imposed on the denizens of this once great bastion of civilization.

I contend that in short the problem in Europe isn't the logical product of the extension of franchise to the mongrel under classes but the extent to which the common folk of Europe have been denied franchise over the most important areas of management in their societies. Recently a contributor to this forum stated that there would scare be a non Muslim person living in Europe who wouldn't given the chance reverse the massive tide of migration to year zero before it began.

I would extend this obvious contention by stating that few of the common people of Europe would have endorsed this reverse colonization of their nations in the first place. The Islamisation of Europe is far more the product of elites in the European bureaucracies and UNHCR or even the French trying to refound a desert empire in the face of increasing cultural irrelevance relative to the Anglosphere (America, Australia and England). Given a vote on the matter - a moratorium - this invasion would be over tomorrow. This is the reason why the French hide immigration and population statistics. There are certain facts that unenlightened plebeians like ourselves might find disturbing enough to act on. That is if we don't want to wind up living in Iran.

Socialist decay in the face of religious extremism is not confined to Europe alone. Ayaan Hirsi Ali noted a similar political polarization occurring in Israel in the face of the massive number of children being produced by Orthodox Jews relative to the more liberal ones. Likewise Mubarik's regime in Egypt and the decaying leftist oligarchy of Syria will likely give way to Iran type or Talibanesque regimes in the next few decades.

One of my friends said to me his idea of democracy was intelligent people making all the decisions for the nation on our behalf. This sounded more like an ideal for a socialist state outlined in Plato's "Republic". The latter was also a democracy hating Lacadaemon (Spartan) loving elitist. I would argue the contrary position - Democracy is about advanced citizenship. It's about stepping up to the plate and taking responsibility for the management and survival of the body politic. The age of indifference that the west has entered imposed on us by the academic left's dissemblage and moral relativism is as much anathema to democracy as Islam.

Homefront.

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