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M. Tovey, that "vacuum" would be self-inflicted

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Submitted by jennifer solis (United States), Feb 9, 2008 at 00:46

If Israel were to withdraw all aid to Gaza, any "vacuum" that would exist would be entirely the fault of Gazans, who have refused to let go of horrific hatred towards Israel. Gazans elected leadership that promises annihlation of Israel. Israel owes them nothing. Is it realy in Israel's interest to continue providing care to a people who wish Israel destroyed?

I must comment that 99% of reader's comments that dissagree with Dr. Pipes on this issue are already answered by Dr. Pipes, all it requires is careful reading of his two articles, on this subject.

A couple of quotes from Dr. Pipes' articles -

"Controlling Islamist violence out of Gaza will become an Egyptian priority - but Mubarak has coped with Islamists throughout his 27-year presidency and he can deal with this new challenge in ways that Israel cannot."

"Gazans speak a colloquial Arabic identical to the Egyptians of Sinai, have more family ties to Egypt than to the West Bank, and are economically more tied to Egypt. Furthur, Hamas derives from an Egyptian organization, the Muslim Brethren." Not to mention, not a single Gazan has ever stated ambition to wipe Egypt from the map.

You comment, M. Tovey, that "Palestinians" have no historical national heritage to draw upon. History argues that. The word "Palestine" comes from "Philistine", as you know. "Philistine", however, comes from the word "Peleshet", which was the name given to a group of Greeks that fled during the Dorian invasion. They were named "Peleshet", or "sea peoples", by Egyptians (c. 1185 B.C.). The "Peleshet" had sought to make their home in Egypt, but they were defeated; they migrated northeast, eventually settling in the southwestern region of the land God deeded to the Jews. That conquered territory came to be known as Philistia - the land of the Philistines - and later as Palestine.

The Philistines worshiped the fish-god Dagon, the fertility goddess Ashtaroth, and Baal-zebub, cheif god of Ekron. Like other Greeks, they occaisionally offered human sacrifices, were degenerate, and frequently were "demon possessed". They lived in opposition to Yahweh, the God of Israel. Originally the governmental power of Philistia was vested in the lords of the Pentapolis (five city-states): Gaza, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Ekron, and Gath. The Philistines contended for the very land God promised to Israel (Joshua 13:1-2). The Old Testament is replete with instances of Philistine antagonism towards the Jews. The Bible records the eventual destruction of this civilization. In foretelling the fall of Tyre, Zechariah made reference to the subsequent judgement of Ashkelon, Gaza, Ekron, and Ashdod. Gath was not included for judgement having long since been captured by Hazael, king of Syria (2 Kings 12:17). The prophecy reads:

Ashkelon will see it [the fall of Tyre] and be afraid [they surrendered].

Gaza too will writhe in great pain [Gaza resisted and was besieged by Alexander for five months];

Also Ekron, for her expectation has been confounded [expected to be delivered but went into slavery instead].

Moreover, the king will perish from Gaza, and Ashkelon will not be inhabited [by the Philistines].

And a mongrel race [foreign people] will dwell in Ashdod,

And I [God] will cut off the pride of the Philistines.

And I will remove their blood [human sacrifices] from their mouth,

And detestable things from their teeth.

Then also there will be a remnant for our God [ evangelism after disaster wins converts among the survivors],

And be a clan in Judah, And Ekron like a Jebusite [the original inhabitants of Jerusalem, then called Jebus].

- Zechariah 9:5-7

The Philistines as a race were cut off. The only ones to outlive the destruction of their cities were those who believed in the promised Messiah and appreciated the Jews as the chosen nation from which the Messiah would come. Of course, this occured over three thousand years ago; who knows if original Palestinian blood still exists. The animosity towards Israel obviously does.

With regards to land promised to Abraham by God, that covenant will not be fulfilled, according to scripture, until AFTER Christ returns. Since A.D. 70, when the legions of Titus destroyed Jerusalem, the Jews have been scattered all over the earth and will continue to be dispersed until after the Second Advent when Jesus Christ Himself regathers them nationally as believers in the Land. Although the Jewish people throughout the world are conscious of the national home, they are entering the Land as unbelievers and, according to Old and New Testaments, therefore, MODERN Israel does not constitute the prophesied nation under God. Christ Himself will be the One who delivers Israel; it is THE HEIGHT OF ARROGANCE to assume that unless Israel is "maintained" by humans, Christ won't be able to fulfill His Word.

"And I [God] will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse." [Gen. 12:3] The "Palastinian cause" is proof of this. Hitler is proof of this. Tzarist Russia is proof of this. Gaza is proof of this. This is applicable during all time periods. It applies NOT toward Israel per se, but towards all of the Jewish race. But Israel, AS A SOVERIEGN STATE, has the right to defend herself. She has the right to refuse aid to Gaza, who are a people who despise her, who seek her destruction.

Israel also has the right, indeed the obligation, to not just defend herself militarily, but to use offensive military measure; it is what wins wars. That's what is missing; that's what has brought her periods of peace before. Giving over Gaza might just lead to that. If it does, so be it.

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Playing "hot Potato" with Gaza [239 words]DrRJPMar 31, 2008 00:14124149
DUMPING GAZA ON EGYPT [16 words]JACQUESFeb 13, 2008 17:48120145
Suicide by cop [128 words]Duane GainsburgFeb 13, 2008 08:57120090
A Profound Event [143 words]Paul RinderleFeb 12, 2008 20:57120038
Daniel's second discussion of a Gaza-ectomy is more plausible [153 words]Charles MartelFeb 12, 2008 16:22120000
Gaza might be forced on Egypt--But with what result? [224 words]Gene TagliaFeb 12, 2008 02:37119974
Gaza is a Part of Israel's Final Destiny, Not Egypt's. [456 words]M. ToveyFeb 11, 2008 12:14119931
Jews not to decide the fate of Gaza [66 words]MansoorFeb 11, 2008 03:33119915
Good Observation - Jewish Destiny Already Determined [255 words]M. ToveyFeb 12, 2008 12:15119915
Mansoor, Jews should not decide the fate of Gaza [125 words]InfidelFeb 20, 2008 12:52119915
Turn Gaza over to Egypt [154 words]surjFeb 20, 2008 18:55119915
Consider this plan, please [152 words]Ari- JakartaFeb 10, 2008 23:39119909
Muslim World [34 words]Shahid KinnareFeb 10, 2008 14:37119889
World belongs to Muslims [286 words]InfidelFeb 10, 2008 23:41119889
Israel [108 words]Shahid KinnareFeb 11, 2008 18:32119889
shame on you shahid [51 words]syed mohammad aliFeb 16, 2008 04:32119889
syed mohammad ali, practicing taqiyya [56 words]InfidelFeb 17, 2008 00:54119889
Shame on me [59 words]Shahid kinnareFeb 17, 2008 01:54119889
You are mistaken. [62 words]jeffFeb 10, 2008 11:35119881
A plan of action [128 words]Gary EpsteinFeb 11, 2008 19:40119881
What is Egypt's record when it comes to human rights? [117 words]David W. LincolnFeb 8, 2008 22:28119831
facing reality [113 words]Rebecca MouldsFeb 8, 2008 19:17119824
How to turn gaza over to egypt [286 words]kim segarFeb 8, 2008 11:34119803
Dumping Gaza on Egypt plays right into the Muslim Brotherhood's hand. [351 words]Doc TaterFeb 8, 2008 11:13119801
Dumping Gaza on Egypt [65 words]InfidelFeb 10, 2008 15:52119801
That's right, although 1979 was a long time ago... [67 words]darrellFeb 11, 2008 10:05119801
I'm not overlooking the history of the '79 agreement. [249 words]Doc TaterFeb 11, 2008 14:42119801
Dumping Gaza on Egypt ? NO [40 words]Joe KaffirFeb 11, 2008 17:57119801
Egypt...That's your turn. [215 words]Norm FaresFeb 8, 2008 02:34119784
Muslim Aggression Has Many Names [279 words]Buildersofzion.orgFeb 8, 2008 01:52119783
Indeed [53 words]YnnatchkahFeb 9, 2008 02:31119783
A better solution [45 words]NimrodFeb 8, 2008 00:14119779
asymetrical warefare [317 words]trans-parereFeb 8, 2008 19:56119779
trans-parere/Israel the aggressor [216 words]InfidelFeb 11, 2008 01:42119779
Understanding what one reads is key. [143 words]trans-parereFeb 12, 2008 01:13119779
trans-parere, negative opinions express a positive point of view [159 words]InfidelFeb 13, 2008 13:47119779
don't blame others for your ethnocentric myopia [389 words]trans-parereFeb 14, 2008 03:44119779
trans-parere, and my ethnocentric myopia [128 words]InfidelFeb 15, 2008 20:23119779
ethnocentric [Judaeo-Christian] focus [320 words]trans-parereFeb 17, 2008 07:55119779
trans-parere, Pleeze Mistere, i'm no ethnocentric [527 words]InfidelFeb 18, 2008 04:15119779
more than a few words [406 words]trans-parereFeb 18, 2008 19:51119779
trans-parere, reasons for my sympathy for the Jews [413 words]InfidelFeb 20, 2008 12:26119779
"Workable in a Democracy" [145 words]jennifer solisFeb 21, 2008 06:09119779
Don't blame Islam [261 words]trans-parereFeb 22, 2008 19:40119779
What if there was a Truth? [424 words]jennifer solisFeb 23, 2008 06:19119779
rule of law without question [537 words]trans-parereFeb 23, 2008 20:48119779
Finalt we are moving to implement UNSCR 242 [231 words]AKFeb 7, 2008 23:08119773
couldn't agree more. [143 words]donnella whitacreFeb 7, 2008 21:22119763
Smart (for Mid-East means - unrealizable) ideas [218 words]Leonid Kaplun-LeonovFeb 7, 2008 21:19119762
Gaza ought to be returned to Egypt. [82 words]hyman peskinFeb 7, 2008 18:56119748
hyman peskin is not day dreaming [33 words]InfidelFeb 15, 2008 15:18119748
Grab the brass ring NOW. [221 words]jennifer solisFeb 7, 2008 17:15119739
Jennifer, the wall is there because Egypt has no true humanitarian motivation. [274 words]Doc TaterFeb 8, 2008 11:39119739
It is Written - Gaza is Forsaken - Egypt Sees That - Why Nobody Else Does. [573 words]M. ToveyFeb 8, 2008 12:46119739
M. Tovey, that "vacuum" would be self-inflicted [934 words]jennifer solisFeb 9, 2008 00:46119739
The land in Gaza is one thing, and the people who live in Gaza are something else. [298 words]Doc TaterFeb 11, 2008 12:18119739
Negotiation with the enemy [454 words]jennifer solisFeb 12, 2008 23:56119739
Excuse the pun [67 words]john w mcginleyFeb 7, 2008 14:23119730
Gaza Mistakes - Take Two [216 words]M. ToveyFeb 7, 2008 13:39119727
I'm afraid Tovey is right about Gaza [118 words]Charles MartelFeb 12, 2008 16:43119727
Wishful Overthinking [166 words]BlackspeareFeb 7, 2008 13:17119726
That won't stop the rockets into Israel [236 words]GabrielFeb 7, 2008 12:50119725
Forcing Mubaraks hand [105 words]MontyFeb 9, 2008 10:30119725
Israel has to solve its own problem [130 words]GabrielFeb 10, 2008 03:30119725
Israel versus Enemies [74 words]InfidelFeb 11, 2008 00:32119725
I dunno, Hosnsi sounds pretty sure of himself... [46 words]darrellFeb 7, 2008 11:58119724
Gaza is a lot like the famous Tar Baby [605 words]Ken BesigFeb 7, 2008 11:51119722
Responsibility for Gaza [39 words]Linda HaslamFeb 7, 2008 11:04119720
Can't give away what isn't yours. [83 words]Benjamin FoxFeb 7, 2008 10:55119717
Another great idea that will have to dig its way out of an avalanche of anti-Israel rhetoric [170 words]DrRJPFeb 7, 2008 10:07119715
Gaza [114 words]Donald W. BalesFeb 7, 2008 10:00119714
You say you want a war with Egypt (to the tune of "Revolution") [58 words]Harry ScottFeb 7, 2008 09:29119712
ONLY SOLUTION: GAZA UNDER EGYPT; PARTS OF WEST BANK LINKED TO JORDAN [208 words]G. MarcusFeb 7, 2008 08:57119710
Concerns about Egyptian control of Gaza [169 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Nachman RosenbergFeb 7, 2008 08:37119709
Just as I said [39 words]Seamus MacNemiFeb 7, 2008 08:22119708
Sanction of the Victims [109 words]Ralph C Whaley MDFeb 7, 2008 07:39119707
How to turn Israel over to Gaza - some questions [221 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Josh KFeb 7, 2008 07:17119706
peace process bush's bluff [111 words]syed mohammad aliFeb 7, 2008 04:04119703
Sayed's bluff. [62 words]RobertFeb 7, 2008 22:59119703
Practicing taqiyya [183 words]InfidelFeb 8, 2008 20:11119703
Syed's hypocracy [180 words]DonFeb 10, 2008 04:28119703
Allah may be a god, but God is not Allah [51 words]InfidelFeb 11, 2008 13:28119703
don [82 words]syed mohammad aliFeb 12, 2008 04:25119703
taqqiya ? and cant you see from your eyes [569 words]syed mohammad aliFeb 12, 2008 04:41119703
really, physcopath hizballah? [99 words]syed mohammad aliFeb 12, 2008 04:50119703
Syed and the ummah [465 words]DonFeb 12, 2008 20:26119703
Nonsense, sayed [71 words]RobertFeb 12, 2008 23:00119703
Debating Over Who Gets the Blame for the Debacle of the Middle East [506 words]M. ToveyFeb 13, 2008 18:04119703
syed mohammad ali, U.S. wars [72 words]InfidelFeb 15, 2008 15:03119703
M. Tovey, return of the Saviour King [42 words]InfidelFeb 15, 2008 19:41119703
world is not blind [27 words]syed mohammad aliFeb 16, 2008 04:37119703
syed mohammad ali . [124 words]RobertFeb 16, 2008 21:49119703
is there any boming in iraq before invasion [123 words]syed mohammad aliFeb 18, 2008 12:01119703
The Truth and His Return are Given in His Word - Just as Gaza and Its Fate With Israel [221 words]M. ToveyFeb 19, 2008 12:49119703
gaza is Israel [82 words]surjFeb 20, 2008 19:33119703
who said i am in india [61 words]syed mohammad aliFeb 22, 2008 07:30119703
gaza will remain part of Israel for ever [220 words]surFeb 23, 2008 18:22119703
syed mohammad ali, practing taqiyya [57 words]InfidelFeb 24, 2008 18:44119703
syed mohammad ali, Iraq never went to war [104 words]InfidelFeb 24, 2008 19:06119703
Egypt Hussni Mubarak [133 words]TIRDAD GHARIBFeb 7, 2008 03:18119702
Iran: the Point that was not addressed. More complicated than it looks. [282 words]YnnatchkahFeb 7, 2008 02:49119701
Already done. [28 words]RobertFeb 7, 2008 02:05119699
Mubarak's View of Gaza [99 words]Janusz KowalikFeb 7, 2008 02:01119698
daydreams [132 words]yuval Brandstetter MDFeb 7, 2008 01:27119697
You said: [74 words]YnnatchkahFeb 7, 2008 15:41119697
all of whom... [33 words]yFeb 11, 2008 12:06119697
Gaza is Jewish land! [89 words]natFeb 7, 2008 00:44119696
Send the Gaza Arabs back to their native land - Egypt. [20 words]Dr. M. D'SouzaFeb 8, 2008 11:50119696
Gaza is land of ISRAEL [70 words]DougFeb 10, 2008 10:39119696

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