Mansoor: Allah's special logic is leading me blindly to "that horrible day"

Submitted by Plato (India), Sep 3, 2008 at 21:09

Mansoor, you wrote:

>>When you say your read Islam and you still run away from this true religion then you are the most unluckiest person!!! When the guiding light was glowing on your face...you decided to turn your back.<<

Yes, surely I am "the most unluckiest person!!!". Read on.

>>The authors you refer to learn about the Last Prophet, were there to malign his true and clean personality.<<

The authors I refer to are probably about the only original biographers of the Prophet, especially Ishaq and Tabari. Without their account of the Prophet how will you know that a person like your last prophet existed at all. You are left with the hadiths. I have gone through Bukhari's collection and the picture of the prophet that comes across is no better than from his biographers. Let me illustrate:

Volume 3, Book 46, Number 717: Narrated Ibn Aun:

I wrote a letter to Nafi and Nafi wrote in reply to my letter that the Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives; the Prophet got Juwairiya on that day. Nafi said that Ibn 'Umar had told him the above narration and that Ibn 'Umar was in that army.

Is attacking a neighbouring tribe without warning justified? Is acquiring a wife as booty the act of a holy/honourable man?

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 260: Narrated Ikrima:

Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

Here is your merciful Prophet ordering the killing of those who leave Islam.

Volume 7, Book 72, Number 774: Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

The Prophet cursed effeminate men (those men who are in the similitude (assume the manners of women) and those women who assume the manners of men, and he said, "Turn them out of your houses ." The Prophet turned out such-and-such man, and 'Umar turned out such-and-such woman.

These people were created by Allah (genetic predisposition) with those mannerisms. Would you turn your son, brother or daughter out of your home like the Prophet advised? Read the next hadith which tells you that Allah has already written down what your son, brother or daughter will be. Why then does your prophet hate effeminate men?

Volume 1, Book 6, Number 315: Narrated Anas bin Malik:

The Prophet said, "At every womb Allah appoints an angel who says, 'O Lord! A drop of semen, O Lord! A clot. O Lord! A little lump of flesh." Then if Allah wishes (to complete) its creation, the angel asks, (O Lord!) Will it be a male or female, a wretched or a blessed, and how much will his provision be? And what will his age be?' So all that is written while the child is still in the mother's womb."

Whether a man is effeminate or not is decided by Allah before he is born.

Volume 8, Book 76, Number 450: Narrated Abu Dhar:

…..He said, "It was Gabriel who appeared to me beside Al-Harra and said, 'Give the good news to your followers that whoever dies without having worshipped anything besides Allah, will enter Paradise.' I said, 'O Gabriel! Even if he had committed theft or committed illegal sexual intercourse?' He said, 'Yes.'

In this hadith the prophet teaches Muslims anything goes for them as long as they believe in Allah. Theft and illegal sex which are considered sins by all religions (bar Islam?) are no bar to paradise according to this hadith. Being a believer absolves you of all sins. Mansoor, is this why so many convicted criminals are entering Islam??

Mansoor, what have you learned from these hadith about the "true and clean" personality of Muhammad?

>> When you will read about the events since the childhood of the Prophet with clear mind then the situation would have been quite different. <<

What events are you talking about? Miraculous stuff like light emanating from his mother's belly when she was pregnant with the prophet? Mansoor they are inventions by his biographers and hadith compilers to meet the competition from Jesus's miraculous birth and childhood.

>>Unfortunately you are predetermined to malign the face of Islam by tricky ways and misquoting, picking out of text references and following the literature which was there to hurt this religion.<<

Mansoor, I have quoted a few hadith above from Bukhari as you think his Muslim biographers were actually trying to defame him. What is the picture that Bukhari has drawn of your prophet? What trick have I used here?

>>Allah says in Quran many times that he guides whom he wish and he misguides whom he wish. The person who wish to learn Quran with an aim to seek guidance would be given valuable guidance…<<

What you have said above is another instance of how mindless belief inculcated in you since childhood has confused your ability to think logically. You say that Allah will guide or misguide WHOM HE WISHES. If Allah chooses to guide someone, say like me, will I have the power to resist and be misguided?? How can that be? As my Creator He already knows whether I will take His guidance or not (this is aside from the fact that if HE chooses to guide me I will stay guided!). So why would He wish to guide me in the first place?

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Does this make sense after you stated that Allah chooses to guide whom He wishes to. So if I am misguided when I read the Koran "with ugly aims to misguide people by picking up verses out of context" it is precisely because Allah wants it that way. You can't have your cake and eat it too, my dear Mansoor. Only Allah can do that.

>>Surely those who disbelieved from among the People of the Book and the polytheists will be in the fire of Jahannam , in which they will be living forever. Those are the worst of all human beings.[98:6]<<

This is surely a joke of a verse as it directly contradicts Allah's many statements that HE CHOOSES WHOM TO GUIDE OR MISGUIDE. Allah chose not to guide the People of the Book and the polytheists. Except for the fact that Allah Himself chose to misguide them what other reason is there to put them in the fire? The answer is in Jahannam. Allah needs souls to populate the hell He has in waiting till judgment day. Without misguiding people how will He have fuel for His fire. Logical wouldn't you agree?

>>Your denying to the truth of Islam will only harm you on that horrible day!!! Because, the warning reached you and took it as joke!!!!<<

If your Allah is to be believed there is nothing I can do about the harm that He will do to me on "that horrible day". It is Allah's plan to do me terrible harm. How can a puny human like me protect myself from the wish of the Almighty Allah??

Mansoor, I am not denying the truth of Islam. It may or may not be true. It is not impossible for a capricious and merciless deity like Allah to exist. I am just pointing out the joke Islam makes of logic.

Regards

Plato

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