Mansoor: You are doing a good job of bringing up the worst features of Islam - Part II

Submitted by Plato (India), Sep 23, 2008 at 22:15

Mansoor, you wrote:

>>Allah has given you multiple chances but with the help of Satan you keep on distracting yourself from the true path!!!

Can't you see that you are suddenly filled with anti-islamic sentiments the moment any sign or any proof comes in front of you? Better seek guidance from Allah.<<

Allah's chances are worth nothing if Satan, a lowly former slave of His, can so easily distract me from the truth. You have been bringing Allah's proofs to me on this blog and instead of being attracted to the truth I am repelled by them.

Among the many truths you have revealed you stated that Muslims are ever ready to eat bullets and wash up in the blood of infidels. You also told us that Muslims will soon rise up and the sound of infidel skulls being smashed by them will be heard all over the world, or something to that effect. If that is how you are going to bring me the truth of Islam and Allah, no thank you I prefer to be on the side of Satan.

>>Surely he will guide you...but your basic aim is to distract yourself and finding ways to run away from the truth!!!<<

Mansoor, you are the harbinger of truth on this blog. I have never run away from you, if you have noticed.

>>As far as I have understood you are pretending to be the supporter of so called advocates of liberty. The liberty where religion is thrown out of houses and you are given license to do whatever sin you want to commit!!!<<

And what sins would they be? The sin of women with the freedom to work, show off their bodies, marry or divorce whom they wish? Remember Islam is obsessed with women's so-called chastity.

The religion you so dearly want to establish everywhere wants to encourages you to kill or be killed to please Allah (9:111), He wants you to defeat and humiliate Christians and Jews and collect a tax from them.

I would rather allow women the liberty to roam free than have the liberty to attack and kill my neighbours and have the freedom to keep their wives and daughters as my concubines and slaves.

>>Few points you raised in your posts but with incomplete information.

You referred "Volume 8, Book 76, Number 450: Narrated Abu Dhar":

…..He said, "It was Gabriel who appeared to me beside Al-Harra and said, 'Give the good news to your followers that whoever dies without having worshipped anything besides Allah, will enter Paradise.' I said, 'O Gabriel! Even if he had committed theft or committed illegal sexual intercourse?' He said, 'Yes.'

As usual you did a great job by quoting incomplete text. Have it in detail as below!!!

Abu Dharr (may Allah be pleased with him) reported: I came to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) while he was wearing white clothes and sleeping. I went back to him again after he had got up from his sleep. He said, "Nobody says, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah' and then later on he dies while believing in that, except that he will enter Paradise." I said, "Even if he had committed illegal sexual intercourse and theft?" He said, "Even if he had committed illegal sexual intercourse and theft." I said, "Even if he had committed illegal sexual intercourse and theft?" He said, "Even if he had committed illegal sexual intercourse and theft, in spite of Abu Dharr's disliking (it)." Abu `Abdullah said, "This is at the time of death or before it if one repents and regrets and says, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' He will be forgiven his sins." <<

See my previous short post in reply: http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/138011

>>As for Bani Mustaliq, better read the following link which has detailed information which is extremely lengthy if I would attempt to paste it over here !!! I am sure you will be able to pick out more negative points against Islam...but clarification is available for every event!!

http://www.ahmadjibril.com/students/seerahbanimustaliq.html<<

As you so presciently noted picking out negative points against this link was as easy as ABC. Here they are:

The site has this to say about the attack on the Mustaliq: ‘Another tribe who plotted against the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa sallam) was Bani Mustaliq. The Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa sallam) gathered a Ghazwah[3] this time to attack Bani Mustaliq .'

The author of the article has not given any proof they were plotting from the prophet's biographers or any other authenticated history of the time. Now when Bush and his cohorts said Saddam was plotting to acquire WMDs and attacked, after giving months of warning, why do you object?

>>‘Again this event gives us a clear perception on how the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa sallam) dealt with attempts against the Muslims. He did not wait for imminent physical danger to come to him, instead he went forth and took are of the threat before the enemy acts upon it.'<<

Ditto for Bush. He was protecting his countrymen against a perceived threat. He was not about to wait until Saddam acquired WMDs before striking he ‘went forth and took care and snuffed out the threat'. Bush has probably read the Koran and understood its true message.

>>The Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa sallam) and his companions who joined him in the Ghazwah attacked Bani
Mustaliq at a well called al Muraysah. They attacked and killed the men while their women were apprehended. This is proof that one does not need to always announce an attack to the enemy because a warning at this situation would harm the Muslim's position.<<

Bush probably had not studied the Prophet's gazhwas in detail. Otherwise he too would have struck without warning to avoid harming America's position. Bush also left well alone the women and children of Iraq, did not make them into slaves, nor did he marry any of Saddam's daughters or wife. He did not even allow his faithful soldiers to do so, despite the fact that Islam allows it. Muslims claim that the Banu Quraiza were massacred using their own law. Bush refrained from using Islamic law in Iraq with disastrous results!

Look at the trouble Bush is having in Iraq now. It comes of not following the Koranic freedom to attack without warning and enslaving the women and children. The Iraqi men would be loath to attack when they knew their family were hostage with the Americans.

>>‘At this battle, one of the Sahabah named Hisham Ibn Tababah was killed by another Sahabah by accident. His brother named Mithyas approached the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa sallam) later on and asked to be paid blood money of 100 camels. They questioned his identity as a Muslim but he professed to have been Muslim. After he was paid, he returned to his tribe boasting about how he deceived the Muslims. The Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa sallam) sent the Sahabah to kill Mithyas for his deception to the point of telling the Sahabah, ".. even if you see him hanging on the Ka'bah."'<<

Such a beautiful Islamic story. Greed, deceit, vengeance all elements of a good story. Especially the vengeance part. The Prophet was willing to desecrate the holy Kaaba to get his vengeance. I can imagine the deceitful Mithyas hugging the Kaaba stone for dear life hoping to be spared only to have his blood spattered on the holiest of holies in Islam for an act of greediness. Ugh.

>>‘Only one man was able to escape this battle- Harith ibn Dirar. His daughter, Juwairiyah bint Harith, was captured. She was a very wise and beautiful woman. She was to be the slave of Thabit ibn Qays, but the moment she was captured she requested for a mukatabah [4]. Thabit had no choice but to accept this since it was fard to accept a request like this. Juwairiyah approached the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa sallam) for help. The Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa sallam) in turn told her he would pay all of the ransom and also marry her. [5] She accepted his proposal and she eventually became one of his wives. The consequence of her marriage was that her entire tribe was set free because the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa sallam) could not possibly conceive of having his in-laws enslaved. <<

Cool. Juwairiyah probably knew about the reputation of the prophet. Why should she settle for the life of a slave of an ordinary Arab when she could wangle an interview with the prophet himself. She also must known about her attractiveness. When he had a look her, the inevitable happened. One little detail intrigued me. If only one man survived the battle then what remained of the tribe to be set free, except the women and children?

The link you have given: http://www.ahmadjibril.com/students/seerahbanimustaliq.html

was worth reading and brings out some other negative points of Islam. There is the story of a son willing to kill his father because of his religion. There is the story of a pre-teen boy carrying tales about a prominent Madinan and Umar ever ready with his sword offering to slice off the Madinan's head. Allah then goes to extent of revealing the entire Surah Munafiqeen (Surah 63). In 63:6 Allah shows His displeasure at the Prophet praying for a hypocrite and says He will not accept intercession by any one. Allah and His prophet seems to have forgotten this and claimed that he was the only prophet allowed to intercede on behalf of his followers: Volume 6, Book 60, Number 236:

Volume 1, Book 7, Number 331:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:

The Prophet said, "I have been given five things which were not given to any one else before me.

1. Allah made me victorious by awe, (by His frightening my enemies) for a distance of one month's journey.

2. The earth has been made for me (and for my followers) a place for praying and a thing to perform Tayammum, therefore anyone of my followers can pray wherever the time of a prayer is due.

3. The booty has been made Halal (lawful) for me yet it was not lawful for anyone else before me.

4. I have been given the right of intercession (on the Day of Resurrection).

5. Every Prophet used to be sent to his nation only but I have been sent to all mankind.

The story also informs us of Allah's decree that prayers should not be said over the graves of unbelievers and chided the prophet for praying over a hypocrite's body.

And this is the wonderful point/moral of the story according to the narrator:

‘The main point of the battle was that the Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa sallam) was surrounded by hypocrites. While it is easy to see the kuffar because their disbelief is clear, the hypocrites are hidden.'

I read this as telling Muslims to be suspicious of other Muslims, not of the Kuffar who are honest about their disbelief. If even the prophet could not pick out a hypocrite, imagine, the person standing next to you in prayer could be a hypocrite!

>>Can I ask you? do you see American as biggest advocates of Human rights and do you see Indian Army as a clean entity? I can quote you numerous cases and events when American and Indian Army committed crimes against humanity and they are still labeled as clean by mad horses like you!!<<

After reading about what happened to the banu Mustaliq what human rights do you think the Prophet practiced? A man slaughtered in a holy place for greediness. An entire tribe's women and children taken as slaves. Thank your Allah that the Americans and Indians do not follow your prophet's idea of human rights. If they did, seventy thousand of your soldiers who committed Islamic slaughter in East Bengal would still be sweeping floors and cleaning toilets in India. And most American soldiers' homes would have an Iraqi gardener and an Iraqi concubine hidden away in his basement.

May this ‘mad horse' ask what your holy warriors did in East Bengal. How many did they massacre? Kashmir is nothing compared to what Pakistan did.

What is your army doing in Waziristan? What is your army doing in Baluchistan? What did your army do in the Lal masjid? Could the army not have starved out the women and children holed up there?

>>Indian Army's influence in prolonged Martial Law in Burma is not a hidden story now!!! American missiles hitting innocent Muslim women and children in Afghanistan, Iraq & Pakistani tribal areas is an ongoing bloodshed without purpose which people like you would love to close their eyes to.<<

What are Muslims doing to Muslims in Darfur? Why is the Muslim world not making a hue and cry about the hundreds of thousands killed and made homeless in their own land? Are the Muslim women and children of Darfur not innocent? Have Muslims closed their eyes to the massacres taking place in Darfur?

>>I would once again say that the moment Allah decides to punish the forces lined up against Islam...then there will be no shelter left for anybody like you!!!<<

Will Allah punish the Sudanese Arab Muslims for unnecessarily killing other Muslims? Mutual slaughtering Muslims seems acceptable in islam, only when the infidels do that to Muslims do you scream loudly. You talk about Muslims killed in Kashmir. Do a count of the Muslims killed by Muslims in your very Islamic nation. And don't leave out East Bengal from the count. Is Allah going to shelter the Muslims who kill Muslims??

>>As for `Ad, they were arrogant in the land without right and they said: 'Who is mightier than us in strength?' See they not that Allah Who created them was mightier in strength than them. And they used to deny Our Ayat!<<

There are a few billion people who denied and continue to deny Allah's ayat. Nothing has happened to them. Why did Allah single out the people of Ad? If it was a lesson to the rest of humanity it has proved to be of zero value.

>>So, We sent upon them a Sarsar wind in days of calamity that We might give them a taste of disgracing torment in this present worldly life. But surely the torment of the Hereafter will be more disgracing, and they will never be helped.<<

This ayat tells us that Allah has realized that his threats and punishments on earth are ineffective and is reduced to threatening people with torture in their after life. Is anyone listening?

>>And as for Thamud, We showed them the path of truth but they preferred blindiness to guidance; so the Sa`iqah of disgracing torment seized them because of what they used to earn.<<

Is Allah asleep now? He has shown His truth in the Koran but hundreds of nations are blind to it. Why does he not torment them? On the contrary He is tormenting believers in Him and those who refuse His guidance are the ones prospering.

>>And We saved those who believed and had Taqwa.

Qur'an, Fussilat [41:15-18]<<

Why are the righteous believers in Palestine, Afghanistan, Kashmir or Chehnya not being saved?

>>Allah always gave warnings and gave ample time to evil forces to repent and behave. Right now America is thinking the same way, they are entering the land of their choice on charges they have no proof available. WMD or Osama or blah blah!!! Dramas like 9/11 were long unfolded as Jewish/American plot to trigger offensive against Islam!!! <<

So what is Allah waiting for? And did Allah not know beforehand that America would become an enemy of Muslims? Why is Allah allowing them to torture the poor believers? Allah is sleeping on the job.

>>Better wait and see when Allah decides to Crush USA into pieces like we saw U.S.S.R becoming History!!!<<

We are waiting with bated breath for Allah to end his siesta to watch the USA crumbling. If Allah's does not end soon maybe my grandchildren will have the pleasure of watching the spectacle.

>>Stay in touch Plato baba<<

Will comply, Mansoor.

>>Kafirs like you are always prefer misquoting and maligning the original text to satisfy their aims to misguide others.<<

Misquoting, maligning? Bring me your proof.

Regards

Plato

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