I'll give you this falafel - if you give me your .....

Submitted by the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan (Australia), May 10, 2009 at 01:30

Mr. Javed (pbuh) writes:

".....you are not as informed about Islam as you think."

well, you would say that wouldn't you? And equally, I can accuse you of being uninformed about the general Western opinion of Islam - based, not on skewed media articles - but by actual examples of incredibly callous destructive actions by Muslims all around the world.

" Look beyond the feed from media..."
Hopefully you will agree that free media is a positive force in any society. One of its strengths is that used to expose ignorance and corruption. I don't the the 9/11, Madrid, Bali or London tube bombings or even the less fatal arab rioting in France were fictional events presented with carefully photoshopped images. Do you think they were maybe? Do you class this as 'media feed'?

"..... and find out the Sufi way of Islam which considers every human life sacred."
How little you know of how informed I am of Islam. But - isn't it ironic that the example you give me - Sufism - is seen as a perversion of Islam by the vast majority of non Sufis. In fact, I would actually prefer that most Muslms WERE Sufis.

"Second thing, you can not tell people to live according to your values even if they live in past. Who authorizes you to tell a free human, how to live? "

And who authorizes you to tell me what I can or cannot suggest? People are free to live in the past (although it is highly recomended that they do not) - but if their living in the past interferes with, or attempts to interfere with me - or my culture - living in the present - then I know whose side I am on.

"the battle is in minds. "

of course it is - where else would it be? It is simply ignorance vs. awareness

if you think that they should live modern live which you might call rational, you sound as Taliban to me as the people who are there on ground.

You just called it 'rational' - and then said that because you called it 'rational' - therefore I sound like a Taliban??? What twisted logic. You just shot yourself in the foot I'm afraid

".....by the way rationality is subjective."

Read up on quantum physics. Ultimately everything is subjective. But we know that in the real largescale world, certain effects are predictable and- always occurr in the same way. Gravity will always pull you towards the centre of the earth; systems flow from a high to low, the same laws of motion and energyare in effect in Islamabad and Indiana. It is a fact that some forms of government work better than others. It is also a fact that some religions work better than others

"I wonder what is bad about accepting things from other civilizations? you want to block exchange between civilzation or you promote package exchange of thing. "

And you want it to be a one way flow - oil and falafels in exchange for what?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1824455.stm

There is nothing wrong with cultural exchange at all - ideally it would be great if there was an exchange of items of worth. But I'm happy with people accpeting and implementing systems and technologies they made no contribution towards. But I'm not happy with those same people then going on to seek to undermine in any way the cultures of their benefactors.

But look again at what I said which was that muslim countries are happy to accept things from other cultures - EXCEPT those things that disagree with the system that leaves them in such dire straits in the first place. They want their cake and to eat it too.

"Do not forget that it was under Muslim rule that the West progressed."

What utter garbage. How can one forget something that never occurred? The West was NEVER under Muslim rule. Democracy and the development of all the trappings of nation states were Greek inventions. The only thing of any real value contributed by north African arabs, who happened to be muslim - was the introduction of the number Zero. This led to a revolution in mathematics and commerce - as it replaced the restricive Roman numeric system. Ironic - but their contribution was a big , fat nothing. And they did not actively donate this simple idea. An Italian saw it in use by arab traders in North African markets ( I think it was Fibonacci ) and returned to Italy with this revolutionary concept. And the fact remains that they got this idea in the first place by trade with India. Indian scientists and mathematicians were the first to introduce this idea - to be able to make sense of the vast limitless cosmos in which they understood they existed.

"Today the west is not sharing its technology ......"

The West is certainly sharing its technology. You're using a computer and the internet aren't you - presumably drive an internal combustion engined vehicle, have flown in a plane powered by a jet engine , watched television, listened to radio, used a telephone, been assisted by streetlights at night, use the electric light in your home?

Have you any idea of what the US Peace corps does? Where is the muslim peace corps, by the way - that is sharing muslim technology in non-muslim countries?

"....fearing competition.."

what competition?

"....Is it good for humanity?"

what, Islam?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1824455.stm

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