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Submitted by Manu Rodríguez (Spain), Aug 27, 2010 at 01:34

More about Islam and the construction of a mosque in the Ground Zero.

Manu Rodríguez. From Europe (25/08/10).

*I am afraid that also in the USA have been lost lucidity, courage and dignity; not only in Europe. It seems that the imbecility, weakness, and cowardice have settled in the land of the free world and not only Muslims. Perhaps one thing responds to another.

I don't know what we hope to confront determined and bravely this absurd and scary enemy of our way of life that is Islam; to eject of our lands both Muslims (as individuals 'non grata') and own Islam (Quran, Sharia, and others), to which we could ban, with our laws in hand, as we do with Nazism.

Given current circumstances (our conflicts in various parts of the world with Muslim countries) we must deny access, at the Muslims residing in our lands and both converts native as to the non-native already nationalized, at the army, security forces, and the rest of civil institutions.

It is important to prevent the Muslim proselytizing to continue its work on our lands. This proselytism deprives to the country of their citizens, think of this. A convert to Islam is a citizen lost in his own country, his own blood, and his own people, because from the moment of his conversion due to newly acquired faith; now has new nation, new family, and new fellow citizens (the Islamic nation and the Muslim brothers). We are talking of treason, sedition; and instigation to them.

We should pay attention to these clear and truthful voices emanating from the Islamic area (Ibn Warraq or Wafa Sultan), and which tell us without fainting on dangerous Islam. The latter recently provided us data coming from the Center for Studies of the Political Islam ( www.politicalislam.com ) where we can find the figures of various non-Islamic religions martyrs killed, since the advent of Islam thousand four hundred years ago, for the Muslims and on behalf of his sinister faith (270 million of 'Pagans', 60 millions of Christians, 80 million of Hindus, 10 million of Buddhists, and 120 million 'Animists' African enslaved). This criminal harassment to other faiths and cultures still remains in the area of domain of Islam (Islamized countries, or 'submitted'). This macabre list does not mention the Jewish martyrs or to thousands or millions of Muslims (it's Millennial and also criminal discord between Muslim sects, which extend up to the present; and that we are witnessing all the inhabitants of the planet, and every day, on our news).

*In the interrogations (already topical and rancid, and nothing intelligent) made by Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf (the promoter of the project dia-bolic of the mosque in the Ground Zero) in a recent interview (why a suicidal Palestinian who kills innocent people is called 'terrorist' and if USA or its allies bombed by mistake a building in which die civilians is called 'collateral damage'?), there is to say that he responds when distinguishes, conceptually, between intentionality (of killing innocent) and the no-intentionality (accident, mistake; but also information maliciously false).

I would add that we could also asked him to that prefer that we denote to the violent acts committed by Muslims in the lands of the free world and in the name of Islam, acts of terrorism, acts of war, or collateral damage?

As of 'violent acts' I mean to the intimidation of the civilian population and street violence (strategies followed recently in Europe, where foreign Muslim population exceeds already the very worrying figure thirty million -and I speak only of the legal), and the bloody attacks (these internationally and, in most cases, on clearly civilian targets).

Another 'pearl' of the Imam Rauf is as follows: "Seven centuries before the Declaration of Independence was written the Sharia law, which was intended to protect life, property, family, religion, mental wellbeing. This is the reason that affirms (who?) that USA is in fact a State in accordance with the Sharia". Those are the barbarities that we listen, and then repeat Muslims. It is the art of confused, misrepresent.

I ask for, please, to the historians, political scientists, and philosophers (of history, law, or language...) Americans that clarify this crude sophism more own an ignorant or a liar who someone lover of good and of truth. It is the duty of the countries free 'intelligence' precisely ensured their traditions (policies, legal... cultural in broad sense), as well as protect their people from similar conceptual traps; also the unmasked and silence the mouth once these ominous and insidious preachers of submission, violence, lie, and death. I ask for to the intellectuals of the free world to take part in this cold war (verbal, conceptual), and to take part truth (historical or philosophical); not leaving, please, to their respective peoples in these serious moments of confusion spiritual.

The Sharia is a terrifying legal text that crashes with our sensitivity and our legal traditions all. It is at the Antipodes of the American Declaration of Independence, or of the French Declaration on Human Rights, somewhat later, which are political, legal and philosophical sources of contemporary democracies in the world free.

*To finish. I had hoped that, with regard to the future mosque at Ground Zero, were million the Americans launched the street to prevent such monstrous project. But, judging from what we have seen, have hardly been a few hundred people have expressed against (members of the estimable SIOA and people directly affected by the attack of 9/11). And this happens in the mother country modern of democracy and freedom.

This weak popular response (which also implies indifference or lack of solidarity) reminds our effective decay; the decline in the world free. We sell off our heritage; our current economic, political, social, cultural status... that cost our immediate ancestor's blood, sweat, and tears.

Shame, shame, shame.

*

Until the next. Best regards

Manu (http://larespuestadeeuropa.blogspot.com/)

Please sorry for my English school. The article on Spanish, can find it on my blog.

(Para 'Daniel Pipes's blog').

Manu Rodríguez.

Desde Europa (25/08/10).

*Me temo que también en U.S.A. se han perdido la lucidez, el coraje, y la dignidad; no sólo en Europa.

Parece que la imbecilidad, la debilidad, y la cobardía se han asentado en las tierras del mundo libre; y no sólo los musulmanes.

Quizás una cosa responda a la otra.

No sé a qué esperamos para enfrentarnos decidida y valientemente a este absurdo y tenebroso enemigo de nuestro modo de vida que es el islam; para expulsar de nuestras tierras tanto a los musulmanes (como personas 'non grata') como al propio islam (Corán, Charia, y demás), al cual podríamos prohibir, con nuestras leyes en la mano, como hacemos con el nazismo.

Dadas las circunstancias actuales (nuestros conflictos en varios puntos del planeta con países musulmanes) se les debe negar a los musulmanes residentes en nuestras tierras, y tanto a los autóctonos conversos como a los alóctonos ya nacionalizados, el acceso al ejército, a los cuerpos de seguridad, y al resto de las instituciones civiles.

Es importante impedir que el proselitismo musulmán prosiga su labor en nuestras tierras.

Este proselitismo priva a los pueblos de los suyos, entiéndase esto.

Un converso al islam es un ciudadano perdido para su propio país, su propia sangre, y su propia gente, pues desde el momento mismo de su conversión se debe a la fe recién adquirida; ya tiene nueva patria, nueva familia, y nuevos conciudadanos (la nación islámica y los hermanos musulmanes).

Estamos hablando de traición, de sedición; y de instigación a las mismas.

Deberíamos prestar atención a esas voces claras y veraces que proceden del ámbito islámico, como Ibn Warraq o Wafa Sultan, y que nos avisan sin desmayo sobre el peligroso islam.

Ésta última nos proporcionó recientemente datos que proceden del Centro de Estudios del Islam Político (

www.politicalislam.com

) donde podemos encontrar las cifras de los mártires de las distintas confesiones no islámicas asesinados, desde la aparición del islam hace mil cuatrocientos años, por los musulmanes y en nombre de su siniestra fe (270 millones de 'paganos', 60 millones de cristianos, 80 millones de hindúes, alrededor de 10 millones de budistas, y unos 120 millones de 'animistas' africanos esclavizados).

Este criminal acoso a las otras confesiones y culturas se mantiene aún hoy en el área de dominio del islam (países islamizados, o 'sometidos').

En esta macabra lista no se menciona a los mártires judíos, ni a los miles o millones de musulmanes (se trata de la discordia milenaria y también criminal entre sectas musulmanas que se prolonga hasta el momento presente; y de esto somos testigos todos los habitantes del planeta, y todos los días, a través de nuestros informativos).

En cuanto a las interrogaciones (ya tópicas y rancias, y nada inteligentes) hechas por el Imán Feisal Abdul Rauf (el promotor del dia-bólico proyecto de la mezquita en la Zona Cero) en una reciente entrevista (¿Por qué un suicida palestino que mata a inocentes es llamado 'terrorista' y si EEUU o sus aliados bombardean por error un edificio en el que mueren civiles se le denomina 'daño colateral'?), hay que decirle que él mismo se responde en cuanto distingue conceptualmente entre la intencionalidad (de matar inocentes) y la no-intencionalidad (el accidente, el error; aunque también la información malintencionadamente falsa).

Añado que también se le podría preguntar que cómo prefiere que denominemos a las actos violentos cometidos por los musulmanes en las tierras del mundo libre y en nombre del islam, ¿actos de terrorismo, actos de guerra, o daños colaterales?

Con lo de 'actos violentos' me refiero a la intimidación de la población civil y la violencia callejera (estrategias seguidas últimamente en Europa, donde la población musulmana extranjera supera ya la muy preocupante cifra de treinta millones –y hablo sólo de los legales), así como a los sanguinarios atentados (estos a nivel internacional y, en la mayoría de los casos, sobre objetivos claramente civiles).

Otra 'perla' del Imán Rauf es la siguiente:

"Siete siglos antes de la Declaración de Independencia fue escrita la Ley Charia, que estaba destinada a proteger la vida, la religión, la propiedad, la familia y el bienestar mental.

Ésta es la razón por la que afirman (¿quién?) que Estados Unidos es de hecho un Estado conforme a la Charia".

Éstas son las barbaridades que escuchan, y luego repiten, los musulmanes.

Es el arte de confundir, de tergiversar.

Ruego, por favor, a los historiadores, politólogos, y filósofos (de la historia, del derecho, del lenguaje…) estadounidenses que desenreden este burdo sofisma más propio de un ignorante o de un mentiroso que de alguien amante del bien y de la verdad.

Es deber de la 'inteligencia' de los países libres velar, justamente, por sus tradiciones (políticas, jurídicas… culturales en amplio sentido), así como el proteger a sus pueblos de semejantes trampas conceptuales; también el desenmascarar y callarles la boca de una vez a estos ominosos e insidiosos predicadores de la servidumbre, de la violencia, de la mentira, y de la muerte.

Pido a los intelectuales del mundo libre que tomen partido en esta guerra fría (verbal, conceptual), y que tomen partido por la verdad (histórica, o filosófica)

; que no abandonen, por favor, a sus respectivos pueblos en estos graves momentos de confusión espiritual.

La Charia es un texto legal terrorífico que choca contra nuestra sensibilidad y nuestras tradiciones legales todas.

Está en las antípodas de la Declaración de Independencia estadounidense, o de la Declaración sobre Derechos Humanos francesa, algo posterior, que son las fuentes políticas, jurídicas, y filosóficas de las democracias contemporáneas en el mundo libre.

*Para terminar.

Yo esperaba que, con relación a la futura mezquita en la Zona Cero, fueran millones los estadounidenses que se lanzaran a la calle para impedir tan monstruoso proyecto.

Pero, a juzgar por lo que hemos podido ver, apenas si han sido unos pocos cientos los que se han manifestado en contra (miembros de la estimable SIOA y ciudadanos directamente afectados por el atentado del 9/11).

Y esto sucede en la moderna patria de la democracia y de la libertad.

Esta débil respuesta popular (que implica también indiferencia y/o falta de solidaridad) hace pensar en nuestra efectiva decadencia; en la decadencia de todo el mundo libre.

Malbaratamos la hacienda; nuestro actual status económico, político, social, cultural… que costó a nuestros inmediatos antepasados sangre, sudor, y lágrimas.

Vergüenza, vergüenza, vergüenza.

Hasta la próxima.

Saludos,

Manu

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6Dr. Pipes, I disagree about the Cordoba House - Park 51 [60 words]Mark PrestonAug 16, 2010 12:33176749
2Rights and responsibilities of religious minorities in US and trhe world [794 words]RaoAug 16, 2010 17:51176749
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2When Will Our Leaders Get It [55 words]Ilbert PhillipsAug 16, 2010 12:18176746
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Religous Freedom [241 words]Ilbert PhillipsAug 22, 2010 02:51176746
1Obama: Wrong on Mosque Issue [351 words]Jerrold L. SobelAug 16, 2010 12:15176745
1Response to "Obama: Wrong on Mosque Issue by Jerrold L. Sobel [155 words]Ilbert PhillipsAug 22, 2010 03:01176745
3Public figures that are speaking out for the First Amendment where the mosque is involved have an ax to grind. [133 words]PRockyAug 16, 2010 12:09176744
yes! [2 words]NoraAug 16, 2010 19:47176744

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