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Muslim groups are proposing a 13-story $100 million mosque in the most prominent spot in America – the heart of downtown New York City near the World Trade Center site.

Is this mosque a sign of America's tolerance, or is it a sign of Muslim conquest?

The past may hold answers:

In 630, Muhammad led 10,000 Muslim soldiers into Mecca and turned the pagans' most prominent spot, the Ka'aba, into the Masjid al-Haram Mosque.

In 634, Rightly Guided Caliph Umar conquered Syria and turned the Christians' most prominent spot, the Church of Job, famous for being visited by Saint Silva in the fourth century, into the Mosque of Job.

In 637, Caliph Umar conquered Hebron and turned the second-most prominent spot in Judaism, the Cave of the Patriarchs, into the Ibrahimi Mosque. (This was repeated by Saladin in 1188.)

In 638, Muslim generals Amr ibn al-As and Khalid ibn al-Walid conquered Gaza and turned the prominent fifth-century Byzantine church into the Great Mosque of Gaza.

In 638, Caliph Umar conquered Jerusalem. In 691, Caliph Al-Malik ordered the Dome of the Rock built on the most prominent spot in Judaism, the Temple Mount, followed by Caliph Al-Walid building the Al-Aqsa Mosque there in 705.

In 651, Muslims conquered Persia and turned Zoroastrian temples in Bukhara and Istakhr into mosques.

In 706, after Muslims took Damascus from the Byzantine Empire, Caliph Al-Walid turned the prominent Orthodox Church of St. John the Baptist into the Umayyad Mosque.

In 710, Gen. Muhammad bin Qasim conquered Pakistan, defiled the prominent Sun Temple in Multan, which house the great idol "sanam," and erected a mosque.

In 784, after the conquest of Spain, Emir Abd ar-Rahman turned the prominent Visigothic Christian Church of Saint Vincent into the Great Aljama Mosque of Cordoba.

After the conquest of Egypt, Caliphs al-Mamun (813-833) and al-Hakim (996–1021) turned prominent Coptic Christian churches and Jewish synagogues in Cairo into mosques.

In 831, Muslims conquered Palermo, Sicily, and Asad ibn al-Furat turned the prominent Church of Saint Mary of the Assumption into the Great Mosque of Bal'harm.

In 1193, Muslims conquered Delhi, India, and Qutbuddin Aibak turned the Red Citadel in Dhillika, the most prominent spot of the last Hindu rulers, into the Qutb Minar Mosque.

From 1250-1517, Mamluk Muslims controlled the Golan Heights and used the ancient Synagogue of Katzrin as a mosque.

In 1387, Turkish Muslims conquered Thessaloniki and turned the Katholikon Monastery and the Church of Aghia Sophia, which housed the relics of Saint Gregorios Palamas, into mosques, as Symeon of Thessaloniki recorded:

"The greatest number of the buildings of the churches fell to them, of which the first was the Holy Church of the Savior. … These were trampled underfoot and the infidels rejoiced in them. … Most of the religious buildings in the city were despoiled, while altars were demolished and sacred things profaned."

On May 29, 1453, Sultan Mehmet II conquered Constantinople and turned the great Byzantine church, Hagia Sophia, into the Ayasofya Mosque. The largest church in Christendom for a thousand years, the church's four acres of gold mosaics were covered with whitewash and Quran verses.

In 1458, Sultan Mehmet II conquered Athens and turned the Greeks' most prominent spot, the Parthenon on Acropolis hill, into a mosque. When Venetian Gen. Francesco Morosini drove the Muslims out in 1687, a cannonball hit the gunpowder stored in the mosque, blowing it up.

In the 15th century, Ottoman invaders turned Saint Clement's Macedonian Orthodox Monastery in Plaosnik, Balkans, into the Imater Mosque.

From 1519-1858, Muslim Mughal rulers gained control of India and turned over 2,000 Hindu temples into mosques, including demolishing the Temple of Ram Janmabhoomi in Ayodhya, the birthplace of Rama, and replacing it with the Babri Mosque.

India's Mughal Muslim ruler, Jahangir (1605-1627), wrote in Tujuk-i-Jahangiri:

"At the city of Banaras [was] a temple. … I made it my plea for throwing down the temple … and on the spot, with the very same materials, I erected the great mosque."

In 1543, Hayreddin Barbarossa's 30,000 Muslim troops wintered in Toulon, France, and turned the prominent Toulon Cathedral into a mosque.

In 1570, under Sultan Selim II Khan, Muslims conquered Paphos, Cyprus, and Gov. Mehmet Bey Ebubkir turned the prominent Christian church into the Great Mosque of Paphos.

In 1571, Muslims invaded Famagusta, Cyprus, and turned Saint Nicolas Cathedral, a rare Gothic church, into the Lala Mustafa Pasha Mosque, and Saint Sophia Cathedral in Nicosia, constructed in 1228, into the Selimiye Mosque.

In 1588, Sultan Murat III turned the Eastern Orthodox Church of Saint John the Forerunner in Constantinople into the Hirami Ahmet Pasha Mosque.

In 1781, after having conquered the Old City of Acre, Ottoman Muslims turned the Roman Catholic church built by Crusaders into the Jezzar Ahmet Pasha Mosque, where a hair from Muhammad's beard is preserved.

In 1923, Muslims expelled Greeks from Turkey and turned Orthodox churches into mosques.

In World War II, Nazis allied with Bosnians and turned the prominent Artists' Gallery Museum in Zagreb, Croatia, into a mosque.

In the 1950s, Muslims expelled Jews from Arab lands and turned synagogues into mosques.

Algerian Muslims warred against French colonial rule till France pulled out in 1962, after which the Cathedral of St. Philippe was turned into the Ketchaoua Mosque. Violence against Jews caused 30,000 to flee and the Great Synagogue of Oran was turned into the Mosque Abdellah Ben Salem.

In 1974, Turkish Muslims invaded northern Cyprus, and prominent Greek Orthodox churches were turned into mosques.

In 1981, Muslim immigrants to the Netherlands converted Amsterdam's historic Catholic Sint-Ignatiuskerk into the Fatih Mosque, and a synagogue in The Hague into the Aksa Mosque.

On Sept. 11, 2001, Muslim terrorists attacked the most prominent spot in America, the World Trade Center. In less than 10 years, the number of mosques in New York City has skyrocketed to over 140.

In light of history, reasonable citizens have a right to question if the mosque proposed at Ground Zero is a sign of America's tolerance, or a sign of Muslim conquest?

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5Daisy Khan watch and I'm not kidding you: Falafel is Muslim food! I can see the Copts of Egypt saying is she out of her mind? [366 words]dhimmi no moreNov 25, 2010 15:27180464
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1sheer provocation [115 words]debora derlagenSep 11, 2010 08:50178051
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2lack of definitions from moderate Muslims belie any "Moderate Islam" [662 words]Charles StevensSep 8, 2010 22:44177919
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1Americans wake up....... [127 words]Russell GaddinSep 7, 2010 12:18177793
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to proudmuslimamerican [79 words]ASFeb 16, 2011 05:30177684
2Daisy Khan watch and the on being a slum landlord and other sordid matters [545 words]dhimmi no moreSep 4, 2010 07:29177670
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Ground Zero [56 words]SimonaeSep 2, 2010 13:39177598
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4the silent terror [342 words]vladutzSep 1, 2010 19:02177566
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w/response from Daniel Pipes
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2Gathering storm... [147 words]donvanAug 28, 2010 10:18177397
1Islam/Muslims at war with us!!! [94 words]JaladhiAug 29, 2010 21:15177397
A possible solution [226 words]David SAug 28, 2010 02:40177386
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Sadly some people do not see this as a victory mosque, for that is what it is. [168 words]Phil GreendAug 26, 2010 16:30177313
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9Some more info on Islam [634 words]ASAug 26, 2010 07:14177299
1Good Info on Islam!!! [23 words]JaladhiAug 26, 2010 21:29177299
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why? [100 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
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2Islam in denial [45 words]Sam the hereticAug 24, 2010 23:03177241
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1Dear Burt... [95 words]donvanAug 30, 2010 21:29177206
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4Daniel Pipes RIGHT AGAIN! Islamic triumphalism is rampant . [371 words]Carmen WaggonerAug 16, 2010 17:01176768
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6Good-bye Mr. Bloomberg [209 words]Maurice LeonAug 16, 2010 15:15176760
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Fair, Non-hysterical, and Helpful [86 words]john w mcginleyAug 16, 2010 14:31176759
references? [370 words]gingersnapAug 16, 2010 21:27176759
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disagree...? [200 words]David LAug 17, 2010 20:31176755
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The Wrong Question by Art M. [268 words]Kim BruceAug 16, 2010 23:24176752
1the symbolic question: what is the future symbol of religious freedom [146 words]mythAug 16, 2010 13:08176751
1GZM [117 words]jhstuartAug 16, 2010 12:34176750
Ground Zero Musoleum [59 words]Kim BruceAug 16, 2010 23:34176750
6Dr. Pipes, I disagree about the Cordoba House - Park 51 [60 words]Mark PrestonAug 16, 2010 12:33176749
2Rights and responsibilities of religious minorities in US and trhe world [794 words]RaoAug 16, 2010 17:51176749
GZM [47 words]jhstuartAug 16, 2010 19:34176749
3What are the real aims? [273 words]VinodguptAug 16, 2010 12:31176748
2When Will Our Leaders Get It [55 words]Ilbert PhillipsAug 16, 2010 12:18176746
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Religous Freedom [241 words]Ilbert PhillipsAug 22, 2010 02:51176746
1Obama: Wrong on Mosque Issue [351 words]Jerrold L. SobelAug 16, 2010 12:15176745
1Response to "Obama: Wrong on Mosque Issue by Jerrold L. Sobel [155 words]Ilbert PhillipsAug 22, 2010 03:01176745
3Public figures that are speaking out for the First Amendment where the mosque is involved have an ax to grind. [133 words]PRockyAug 16, 2010 12:09176744
yes! [2 words]NoraAug 16, 2010 19:47176744

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