a challenge is a challenge

Submitted by slayhy (Canada), Dec 5, 2012 at 20:14

I challenge you to give me one verse in the Torah where the word Jew or pertaining to Jew is used.

During Abrahma, Isaac and Jacob (who was first to be called Iseal) and during Joseph, Moses, Joshua

There was no jewish state or national identity establish, it was always children of Israel

and Children of Israel is not the same as Jews

A child of Israel would be a person whose ancestors originated from the Holy Land, not from white Europe

Hagar was banished, Abraham was ordred by God to settle Hagar and his son Ishmael, the only son before Isaaq was born to Makkah. it is not out of jealousy or hatred by Sarah.

Sarah and Hagar were believers and were good friends but the Jews wanted to show that they hated each other. on the contrary they did not hate each other. Ishamel was sent to Makkah when he was baby still breast fed. around 13 years before Isaac was born, and he was the sacrifice not Isaac

here are the proof

GE 16:15 – So Hagar bore Abram a son, and Abram gave the name Ishmael to the son she had borne.

Ge 16:16 – Abram was eighty-six years old when Hager bore him Ishmael. (16)

GE (17:23) – On that vey day Abraham took his son Ishmael and all those born in his household or bought with his money, every male in his household, and circumcised them, as God told him. (23)

GE (17:24-26) – Abraham was ninety-nine years old when he was circumcised (24) and his son Ishmael was thirteen (25) Abraham and his son Ishmael were both circumcised on that same day (26)

GE (21:11) – The Matter distressed Abraham greatly because it concerned his son [Ishmael]. (11)

GE (22:02) – Then God said, "Take your son, your only son, …. , whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about."

(Moriah – is present day Marwah near Makkah one of two places (Al-Safa and Al-Marwah – two hills, part of Hajj Rituals))

GE (22:12) – "Do not lay a hand on the boy", He said. "Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son". (12)

GE (22:16) – and said, "I swear by myself, declares the Lord, and that because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son, (16)

GE (25: 09) – His sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah near Mamre, in the field of Ephron son of Zohar the Hittite. (09)

From above we deduce the following

1. Ishmael is the legitimate son to Abraham
2. Ishmael is the first son
3. Ishmael was the only son of Abraham before Isaac was born
4. The sacrifice was on the only son, which means the first born "Ishmael", because he was the only son of Abraham before the birth of Isaac.

you are mistaken about Imran ro Amran there is no reference to the name of Mary father, the use of Imran as a comparison of the purity of the descendant of Imran (who is Mary) - Mary was referred to the sister of Aaron - because amran was the father of Moses and Aaron,

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