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Submitted by Tony Iveson (United Kingdom), Oct 9, 2013 at 08:35

I doubt the existence of any form of God - it is likely that it is all made up by human beings. But it may still be argued that although Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all fiction, the fact that they have all exercised major influence on the world,and still do, makes them relevant and important. They have all affected our laws and our cultures in the past and they are doing so still.

To rubbish the view that Christianity does not = love is to misunderstand what I said. I don't doubt that many Christians through the ages have behaved badly, there is far too much historical evidence of that to doubt it. Yes, Christians do behave in a non-Christian way. But, and this is the important point, when they have done so it has been against the requirements of their God's instructions as laid down in the 4 gospels. In fact, when they behave in a violent way, Christians are more in tune with the instructions given by the Jewish concept of God or the Islamic version of God. A great historical example of this is the crusades. The muslims were making war against Christians because ther holy book lets them. According to the life code given by their conecpt of God, they were doing nothing wrong at all. The Christian crusaders, far from "turning the other cheek", were making war against the muslims and killing them. They were therefore behaving directly against the instructions given by Jesus in the 4 gospels.

I made it clear in a previous post that none peaceful behaviour by people who call themselves Christian is not acceptable to the Christian version of God as presented in the 4 gospels. When Christians behave cruelly and oppressively to others they are committing an offence against their God's requirements as reported in the 4 gospels.

Christianity - the 4 gospels - not the rest of the New Testament or the Old Testament or the Jewish stuff or the Islamic stuff - only Christ's reported words and life story - are peaceful. There is nothing about killing people or punishing them for various "crimes". Islam's and Judaism's books on behaviour and crime and punishment both contain bloodthirsty instructions to kill and maim in prescribed circumstances. The personality/character of the Jewish God and the Islamic God are similar - both seem to require blood sacrifice, punishment and death. The Christian version - as written about in the 4 gospels - does not expect death and maiming - in fact it is always forbidden.

There is no getting away from this. It is factual. Look at the books themselves, I have. If I hadn't, I wouldn't be saying this.

It seems to me that religious people feel fear when their religion is challenged. Perhaps it would take an atheist scientist to appreciate that what I have presented here are facts. Infact, I have done that with atheists in the past. Because they have no religion, they simply read the texts looking for evidence like they would in a laboratory and find that Judaic and Islamic holy books do contain instructions to act violently but that the 4 gospels don't. It doesn't mean that they suddenly convert to Christianity or believe in God - this is not a question of proving that a religion is true and others are false. But it does mean that a scientist accepts the evidence that the Christian code for living as laid down by the supposed words of Jesus, is a non-violent code for living.

Setting God aside (because for the purposes of this argument he doesnt exist or need to exist), I assert once again that the Christian code for living is vastly superior to that given byJudaism or Islam because they both allow violence and the Christian code does not. The only way you can rationally disagree with this point of view is if you believe that violence is acceptable in some circumstances. Neither Judaism or Islam deny this. Their codes for living say violence is accpeptable sometimes. Again - read the books - they're not secret - all are publicly available in any library or book shop throughout the world.

I have banged on and tried to drum home what to me is self-evident. Perhaps, some will see it now who did not see it before. But I doubt it.

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muhammed [163 words]SumeyaAug 8, 2016 23:5539012
Muhammad [11 words]Abeeb eniolaAug 30, 2016 08:3939012
Quran and bible are true books of Allah but bible was changed by the people. [12 words]MaheerMay 20, 2017 02:5539012
Reply to whoever says Islam is not growing [21 words]Zainab AlkhouriJul 21, 2017 16:2739012
1Our dear Zainab is nor aware that 75% of converts to Islam leave Islam within 2 years! Any comments our dear Zainab? [123 words]dhimmi no moreAug 26, 2017 10:2439012
Uncouth [37 words]Naheed KhanApr 29, 2019 10:5839012
2Extremely disappointing... [185 words]Paul WarrenFeb 23, 2006 02:1637531
How about Islamicate and Islamdom [61 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
HARRAKFeb 21, 2006 23:3236906
Understanding fascism [105 words]Sophia C.Nov 14, 2005 02:4428343
Qutb was influenced by fascism [232 words]Adam HollandFeb 13, 2006 15:0528343
Pre-mature and incomplete [101 words]VincentAug 16, 2005 00:0524712
I do not agree [202 words]Sami AhmedDec 28, 2004 15:3519176
Excellent [89 words]Alradhi HamidaddinDec 17, 2004 15:0119032
The hate of Islamism against West is not intelligent [361 words]I.l NathJan 20, 2004 07:1013417
womans rights [64 words]sarahdawoodJul 12, 2006 04:4713417
1woman [131 words]intriguedJul 23, 2010 15:1313417
Too Bad [30 words]Frank KushnerAug 12, 2003 06:0410509
Brilliant! [22 words]James MurphyJul 6, 2003 03:329895
2Pointing out on Muslims is easy [156 words]faisalMay 11, 2006 16:009895
1I disagree with you! [137 words]Octavio JohansonMay 12, 2006 11:349895
Unresolved issues [181 words]Dvan S.May 2, 2003 17:098843
1Great article [17 words]John P. HigginsMar 24, 2003 16:537560
understanding! [111 words]SALVADOR AVINAFeb 2, 2003 21:366293
Islam and Islamism [336 words]Iqbal AhmedDec 6, 2002 18:494456
5Mohammad is not responsible... [277 words]Fatimah SelbiApr 13, 2010 06:174456
5Fatimah [23 words]hewyxxApr 29, 2010 14:594456
Fatimah [667 words]Tony IvesonOct 9, 2013 18:064456

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