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No Moderate Islam
Reader comment on item: The Middle East Forum Debates Moderate Islam
Submitted by Andrew (United States), Mar 30, 2014 at 11:54
Why can't these (and so many other) words "be reversed?" Because they are said...BY MUSLIMS! Your plaintive plea sounds like Obama and Kerry re Putin and Ukraine, re "we're not supposed to do things like this in the 21st century; Putin is using 19th century methods..." Apparently, Mr. Putin didn't get the memo.
Islam has been this way for 1400 years. Yes, maybe Islam can change but it won't be in our lifetimes
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Daniel Pipes replies:
As I have repeatedly pointed out, Islam has indeed changed a great deal since I began studying it in 1969 - and much for the worse. If it can get worse, why not also get better?
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| The Fallacy of moderate Islam [130 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Skiltz | Oct 4, 2014 14:20 | 218461 | ||
| A water-downed version of "authentic Christianity" [415 words] | Falco | Sep 9, 2014 07:44 | 217691 | ||
| The purpose of religion is to control ourselves, not to criticize others [12 words] | Nalliah Thayabharan | Jul 11, 2014 00:42 | 215894 | ||
| The Logic - Big Three [81 words] | Mark D | Apr 14, 2014 21:42 | 214475 | ||
| 1 | Manful try, Dr. Pipes [615 words] | Kepha Hor | Apr 8, 2014 17:56 | 214377 | |
| The Middle East Forum Debates Moderate Islam [722 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Peter F. | Apr 7, 2014 13:56 | 214347 | ||
 Human Interpretation of Christianity May be Moderated - Its Biblical Truth Does Not Change [659 words] | M. Tovey | May 16, 2014 14:29 | 214347 | ||
| 1 | Religion is an Opium [70 words] | Nalliah Thayabharan | Apr 4, 2014 12:35 | 214264 | |
| 2 | How long have we got? [52 words] | Stavros | Apr 2, 2014 01:58 | 214190 | |
| 2 | Ibrahim is right [101 words] | Mahendra Mathur | Apr 1, 2014 16:38 | 214178 | |
| Islam doctrine too ingrained to change [148 words] | Bridget | Apr 17, 2014 16:39 | 214178 | ||
| 4 | Moderate Nazi could be solution. [658 words] | Philior | Apr 1, 2014 09:23 | 214176 | |
| Moderate followers make moderate religions [554 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Alexandros | Apr 1, 2014 08:27 | 214175 | ||
| 1 | "Moderate" Religion [160 words] | Michael S. | Apr 1, 2014 05:56 | 214172 | |
| 1 | Pipes and Ibrahim: Is Moderate Islam Possible [349 words] | Richard Benkin | Apr 1, 2014 00:15 | 214170 |
| arab orthodoxy vs south-asian moderate [95 words] | myth | Apr 2, 2014 06:03 | 214170 | ||
| 1 | Pipes and Ibrahim: Is Moderate Islam Possible: Response [157 words] | Richard Benkin | Apr 4, 2014 00:05 | 214170 | |
| 2 | You are misreading religion in India [204 words] | dhimmi no more | Apr 4, 2014 13:00 | 214170 | |
| Misreading? Doubtful. [123 words] | Richard Benkin | Apr 5, 2014 07:56 | 214170 | ||
| 1 | Motivations and rocket science [429 words] | dhimmi no more | Apr 7, 2014 17:14 | 214170 | |
| 1 | Desert v. Monsoon Islam? [251 words] | Peter Herz | Apr 8, 2014 18:06 | 214170 | |
| Ibrahim and Pipes on Moderate Islam [270 words] | Mark D | Mar 31, 2014 20:44 | 214168 | ||
| reformed or transformed? [345 words] | Frankz | Mar 31, 2014 19:39 | 214166 | ||
| Moderate Islam [229 words] | Dan Schnittker | Mar 31, 2014 16:05 | 214165 | ||
| 1 | Why Ibrahim is right [35 words] | Roberto Alazar | Mar 31, 2014 12:23 | 214162 | |
| historical analogies? [164 words] | gayle | Mar 31, 2014 11:55 | 214161 | ||
| Time Heals [50 words] | Jon, a Brit from Euroland | Mar 31, 2014 09:59 | 214160 | ||
| A True Dilemma [414 words] | john w. mcginley | Mar 31, 2014 09:52 | 214159 | ||
| Taking love for granted [125 words] | John B | Mar 31, 2014 08:13 | 214157 | ||
| 1 | Reformed Islam - and maybe Moderate Muslims [116 words] | Dian Kjaergaard | Mar 31, 2014 07:15 | 214155 | |
| 1 | Your Expectations [276 words] | Moishe | Mar 31, 2014 04:31 | 214154 | |
| Moderate Muslims "used as objects of derision" [38 words] | RhetoricalGirl | Apr 14, 2014 18:20 | 214154 | ||
| Feminism & education will be the key (and the Noor soap opera as a bright spot) [334 words] | PezDispenser | Mar 31, 2014 04:08 | 214153 | ||
| moderate muslims vs. moderate Islam [9 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Moshe | Mar 31, 2014 03:08 | 214152 | ||
| Even if moderate Islam takes off, there will still be jihadists and Islamists galore [63 words] | Yoel Natan | Mar 31, 2014 00:15 | 214150 | ||
| 1 | Reinterpretation of scripture [180 words] | Russ Gold | Mar 30, 2014 23:43 | 214149 | |
| To be or not to be .......... [114 words] | jon metes | Mar 30, 2014 22:31 | 214148 | ||
| 5 | Rebuttal to Mr Pipes on 'Moderate Muslims' [424 words] | IQ al Rassooli | Mar 30, 2014 21:14 | 214147 | |
| Milquetoast Moderation of Religion [849 words] | M. Tovey | Apr 2, 2014 16:14 | 214147 | ||
| Islamic Moderation Greater in the Past [211 words] | Dave | Mar 30, 2014 20:27 | 214146 | ||
| 4 | A COMPLIMENT [176 words] | DAVID | Mar 30, 2014 20:03 | 214145 | |
| Moderate Islam? [14 words] | Paul Severien | Mar 30, 2014 17:39 | 214141 | ||
| Moderate Islam ? [74 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Jana | Mar 30, 2014 17:22 | 214139 | ||
| Nothing human is fixed [86 words] | Kingsley Beattie | Mar 30, 2014 16:35 | 214138 | ||
| 2 | Reforming Islam??? [227 words] | Carl Goldberg | Mar 30, 2014 16:32 | 214137 | |
| Wrong analogy [176 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | avi | Mar 30, 2014 14:07 | 214135 | ||
| 1 | Pipe's Error [129 words] | Nathan Deutsch | Mar 30, 2014 14:01 | 214134 | |
| Ibrahim's viewpoint is more compelling. [292 words] | Rich McMahon | Mar 30, 2014 13:36 | 214133 | ||
| How to save Muslims and the rest of us from Islam and other religions [423 words] | A.T. Halmay | Mar 30, 2014 13:35 | 214132 | ||
| Do civilizations "progress" [181 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | MARTIN KESSLER | Mar 30, 2014 13:12 | 214131 | ||
| "Moderate" sounds like "Luke Warm" [146 words] | Tony Patterson | Mar 30, 2014 12:52 | 214130 | ||
| I admire optimism but... [265 words] | Doug Mayfield | Mar 30, 2014 12:35 | 214129 | ||
| Dichotomy: Fundamental Muslims vs Moderate Muslims [430 words] | Mike Ramirez | Mar 30, 2014 12:16 | 214128 | ||
| 1 | I believe change is possible [96 words] | Robin Rosenblatt | Mar 30, 2014 12:09 | 214126 | |
| 1 | 'change' possible - but for how long??? [38 words] | Mohammed Wazir Ahkspaidar | Apr 1, 2014 22:06 | 214126 | |
| Islam is a community religion [96 words] | Robin Rosenblatt | Apr 1, 2014 23:33 | 214126 | ||
| תודה [1 words] | Robin Rosenblatt | Apr 3, 2014 23:56 | 214126 | ||
| 1 |  No Moderate Islam [73 words]w/response from Daniel Pipes | Andrew | Mar 30, 2014 11:54 | 214124 | |
| Does Moderate Islam Really Exist? [211 words] | M. Tovey | Apr 2, 2014 19:27 | 214124 | ||
| 1 | From a British perspective [48 words] | ECAW | Mar 30, 2014 11:31 | 214122 | |
| Islam certainly does seem to be the problem [120 words] | Rae | Apr 4, 2014 18:21 | 214122 | ||
| 1 | Ideology first [47 words] | ECAW | Apr 5, 2014 05:35 | 214122 | |
| 2 | The legacy of the the concept of "radical Islam" [159 words] | Irving Weisdorf | Mar 30, 2014 11:18 | 214121 | |
| Interpretation Changes Are Possible [317 words] | Iftekhar Hai | Mar 30, 2014 11:13 | 214120 | ||
| Changing Islam [91 words] | JIMJFOX | Mar 30, 2014 10:43 | 214117 | ||
| 1 | Moderate Islam oxymoron? [102 words] | Wallace Schwam | Mar 30, 2014 10:37 | 214116 | |
| 2 | Inmportant Debate to Have [254 words] | Boston Tea Party | Mar 30, 2014 10:35 | 214115 | |
| 1 | Here is an example of why Islam cannot be reformed [179 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 30, 2014 10:11 | 214113 | |
| Lev. 20:13 misunderstanding [143 words] | New Class Traitor | Mar 30, 2014 09:49 | 214112 | ||
| 1 | ISLAM IS ISLAM [93 words] | Bob Rosen | Mar 30, 2014 09:42 | 214111 | |
| Assimilation effects [178 words] | Duncan Druhl | Mar 30, 2014 09:15 | 214110 | ||
| What's in Your Pipe? [377 words] | TL Winslow | Mar 30, 2014 09:02 | 214109 | ||
| 1 | Q9:29 and abrogation and the fatal flaw in Sunni Islam is there is no Pope! [277 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 30, 2014 08:53 | 214108 | |
| 1 | The Islamic "Pope" is the Kalipha [143 words] | Mike Ramirez | Apr 1, 2014 22:17 | 214108 | |
| 4 | حاميها حراميها or the thief is the one who is protecting it and Turkey is a vile country [889 words] | dhimmi no more | Apr 2, 2014 19:07 | 214108 | |
| 1 | Great explanation. Thanks! [179 words] | Mike Ramirez | Apr 3, 2014 23:50 | 214108 | |
| 2 | The amazing Oktar and his women [352 words] | dhimmi no more | Apr 5, 2014 11:36 | 214108 | |
| 1 | There is a difference between Jewish and Christian "holy books" and the Qur'an [240 words] | Eric MacDonald | Mar 30, 2014 08:52 | 214107 | |
| 1 | Truth is absolute [114 words] | TBK | Mar 30, 2014 08:30 | 214106 |
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