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Turkey, Iran, Sudan, Libya and RussiaReader comment on item: Tour d'Horizon: ISIS, Iran, Turkey, and the Palestinians Submitted by Michael S (United States), Feb 22, 2015 at 18:55 Hi, Tovey I've completely lost track of what the OP's about, so I'll just hop into the very interesting things you're saying here: ...mention that the two divergent references to Gog and Magog are not related leads to a certain speculation this observer noticed so long ago, that it makes it easier for some to dismiss in a later review of the Scripture and how the world today will be disastrously ignorant as its dip into calamity comes to reality. That being said, it is this observer's current discernment that while not easily connected, since Gog and Magog are indeed the same entities I liked what you said first here -- even though I don't know specifically what you were thinking. First of all, yes, people are ignorant of the times we live in, even as Jesus prophesied: Matthew 24: I have taken a rather dim view of contemporary Christian "voices" (to get around any "prophet" stumblingblock), because they steer people, especially Americans, AWAY from the guts of what the true prophets have said. What they said is a warning to us, so that we can look up at the signs of the times, and fear, and prepare for Messiah's coming. You said "Gog and Magog" are the same "entities" in Ezekiel 38-39, and in Revelation. Here is how they appear in the latter: Rev 20: This "Gog and Magog" reference is clearly for a time "when the thousand years are expired" -- in other words, it is "postmillennial", and both "Gog" (the nation of "Beit Gog", or modern Turkey) and "Magog" (an ancient name for Anatolia) are geographical entities: They emphasize the remoteness of the countries "in the four quarters of the earth" that will participate in the final rebellion. The references to Gog (a person) and Magog (a geographical area) in Ezekiel 38-39 are, by contrast, PREmillennial: They concern an entity in our times, as I believe you were inferring above. Yes, they are the same "entities"; but they refer to very different episodes, separated from each other by a thousand years. Moreover, I personally understand the "Ezekiel" references to refer to the actual country of Turkey -- a point on which I am at variance with others, perhaps including you. The importance, in my mind, of reading Ezekiel 38-39 as specifically referring to Turkey, is that we can foresee the "Gog Coalition" of Turkey, Iran, Sudan and Cyrenaica (Libya) already forming today; whereas one might have to wait forever to see Russia taking part in such a coalition against Israel. The situation today is as follows:
I have criticized the "Russian" interpretation of these passages before, on scriptural grounds. In the world of people who do not regard the scriptures, it's possibly more important that I point out the current world situation, and relate the scriptures to it. To them, the important thing is to note that Turkey, Iran, Sudan and Libya will soon unite to attack Israel. This is especially important to the Jews of Israel. Shalom shalom :-)
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