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Ineffective ban
Reader comment on item: Smoking Out Islamists via Extreme Vetting
Submitted by Anon (United States), Jan 31, 2017 at 18:06
The ban on 7 countries is ineffective since it does not include British and other European jihadist muslims holding Western passports. Saudis and Pakistanis have participated much more in terrorism on US soil compared to the 7 nationalities that have been targeted. Iranians have not been involved in terrorism in the West at all and there is no Iranian currently in Gitmo. Iran is also the biggest enemy of ISIS and banning Iranians from entering the US serves no purpose other than to cause pointless pain to individuals who have nothing to do with terrorism.
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Daniel Pipes replies:
I accept your point about Great Britain (see http://www.danielpipes.org/8706/britain-export-islamist-terrorism) but you are wrong that there's been no Iranian violence in the West. There's been plenty; perhaps the most notorious example was at the Mykenos Restaurant in Berlin. See http://www.spiegel.de/international/looking-back-at-the-mykonos-trial-the-end-of-the-dispensable-iranian-a-476369.html
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| Islam is totalitarianism, a cult disguised as a "religion" [58 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Jay | Jan 29, 2022 07:06 | 278545 | ||
| 1 |  How about opposing absurdly wrong principles of Islam? [231 words] | Prashant | Jan 29, 2022 15:11 | 278545 | |
| Ruling Against Religious Law Versus Religious Freedom [253 words] | M Tovey | Jan 30, 2022 15:53 | 278545 | ||
| American Religious Liberty: Freedom From Religion vs. Freedom for Religion [340 words] | Robert | Mar 30, 2017 06:06 | 238021 | ||
| Poor, Misunderstood, Khalid Masood - British Born London Terrorist [268 words] | Robert | Mar 23, 2017 14:46 | 237856 | ||
| 1 | Muslims Aren't Terrorists, But Terrorists Are Muslims [368 words] | Robert | Mar 20, 2017 13:52 | 237785 | |
| 1 | A tweet by Ben Shapiro to Reza Aslan: "You're Gross"! [206 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | dhimmi no more | Mar 12, 2017 18:04 | 237560 | |
| 3 | Note that Hirsi Ali doesn't think even 'moderate Islam' is the answer [73 words] | Anon | Mar 14, 2017 10:48 | 237560 | |
| 2 | Ayaan Hirsi Ali v Erdogan on Islam [51 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 16, 2017 11:19 | 237560 | |
| 1 | I think Reza Aslan should work for democracy in Islamic world [149 words] | Prashant | Mar 16, 2017 23:35 | 237560 | |
| Vetting Christians and Jews [48 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Eben | Mar 11, 2017 13:36 | 237515 | ||
| 4 | Middle East Migrants [14 words] | mjazzguitar | Mar 8, 2017 20:34 | 237245 | |
| 7 | Smoke out the Islamists [53 words] | Larry R. | Mar 1, 2017 06:18 | 237066 |
| What about American born Islamists? [211 words] | Nadia | Mar 9, 2017 16:50 | 237066 | ||
| 11 | Follow up to: Smoke out the Islamists [595 words] | Larry R. | Mar 10, 2017 11:25 | 237066 |
| 5 | Reply to: What about American born Islamists? [428 words] | Larry R. | Mar 11, 2017 07:20 | 237066 | |
| what to do with the Muslim quandary? [122 words] | allan enkin | Mar 16, 2017 19:32 | 237066 | ||
| 1 | Dr Pipes, what say you about the apparently ironically named Department of Homeland Security? [77 words] | Anon | Feb 26, 2017 15:00 | 236999 | |
| Nat Security Advisor McMaster seems to think Muslims shouldn't be vetted at all! [109 words] | Michael S | Feb 26, 2017 00:15 | 236990 | ||
| Vetting v Extreme vetting [284 words] | dhimmi no more | Feb 24, 2017 11:44 | 236951 | ||
| Smoking Out Islamists by Self-Selection [119 words] | Martin J. Malliet | Feb 24, 2017 06:35 | 236947 | ||
| 1 | Interview questions [241 words] | Carl Goldberg | Feb 22, 2017 19:37 | 236896 | |
| 3 | The Torah & the Talmud; Christ & the Church [773 words] | Robert | Feb 25, 2017 22:30 | 236896 | |
| 2 | Verses to use in vetting [637 words] | Michael S | Feb 28, 2017 04:43 | 236896 | |
| The only problem with limiting Islamist immigration, is the current American state of confusion [213 words] | Michael S | Feb 28, 2017 05:05 | 236896 | ||
| 1 | Historical and Moral Issue - 100 Years of Racism after Slavery [213 words] | Robert | Mar 3, 2017 06:48 | 236896 | |
| 1 | Simple statement of fact [77 words] | Prashant | Mar 3, 2017 23:05 | 236896 | |
| God, save us from Left Wing "morality". [153 words] | Michael S | Mar 6, 2017 03:46 | 236896 | ||
| 1 | "Parable of the Good Samaritan" vs. "Racism" [411 words] | Robert | Mar 9, 2017 02:35 | 236896 | |
| We disagree completely, about racism, religion and some other matters. [473 words] | Michael S | Mar 11, 2017 13:35 | 236896 | ||
| Congress, Religion, & Racism [584 words] | Robert | Mar 14, 2017 12:24 | 236896 | ||
| Race, "Racism" and Morality [588 words] | Michael S | Mar 16, 2017 06:44 | 236896 | ||
| When the Bible Judges Racism [317 words] | M Tovey | Mar 17, 2017 15:17 | 236896 | ||
| matter of definition. [90 words] | Mohammed Waza Khiddif id'Ullah | Mar 18, 2017 01:33 | 236896 | ||
| "Race " meaning - Oxford English Dictionary [347 words] | Robert | Mar 20, 2017 02:15 | 236896 | ||
| Races vs. Pseudo-races [248 words] | Michael S | Mar 20, 2017 22:40 | 236896 | ||
| "Racism" is a greatly exaggerated phenomenon [451 words] | Michael S | Mar 21, 2017 00:28 | 236896 | ||
| The First Amentment is more constrained by federal policy, than by Islam [140 words] | Michael S | Mar 21, 2017 00:46 | 236896 | ||
| Exactly, refugees can go home once the war is over [115 words] | Nadia | Apr 24, 2017 11:57 | 236896 | ||
| Division if in Israel, It was and is always cultural. Not related to "racism". By in large. [376 words] | Ely Postal | Jun 21, 2020 13:00 | 236896 | ||
| 2 | Almost lynching of two non Zionists Jews proves again Arab Islamic racism of "conflict" [118 words] | Meir S | Dec 2, 2021 15:38 | 236896 | |
| 1 | Islamic doctrinal hatred of Jews should not be glorified as racism [84 words] | Prashant | Dec 2, 2021 21:40 | 236896 | |
| Anti-Semitism and hatred of Jews. Palestine Branch [26 words] | Lulu | Dec 10, 2021 16:50 | 236896 | ||
| Anti-Semitism and hatred of Jews. Palestine Branch (translated article) [1668 words] | Lulu | Dec 11, 2021 21:14 | 236896 | ||
| 2 | Arabs physicality attack a 60-yrs old Jew as he accidentally entered "Palestine" area [92 words] | Nili | Dec 30, 2021 09:42 | 236896 | |
| Racist Arab masses: May.10.21 'brutal' example in Jaffa [620 words] | Cindy | Sep 18, 2022 19:22 | 236896 | ||
| 5 | Does the 14 Amendment to the USA Constitution Bar President Donald Trump from Stopping Muslim Immigrants ? No. [331 words] | Robert | Feb 17, 2017 11:47 | 236785 | |
| why not a full ban? [202 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Mitch Fugger | Feb 16, 2017 04:17 | 236754 | ||
| There Are No Peaceful Muslims [78 words] | ben | Feb 20, 2017 12:26 | 236754 | ||
| how a 100% ban would in effect surrender border control [65 words] | myth | Feb 22, 2017 12:19 | 236754 | ||
| You may be right, Ben [28 words] | Michael S | Feb 26, 2017 00:09 | 236754 | ||
| 5 | Is It Unconstututional for thr President to Discriminate Against Foreign Muslim Immigrating to the USA ? [171 words] | Robert | Feb 13, 2017 23:19 | 236706 | |
| 4 | simple rules [105 words] | Mohammed Waza Khiddif id'Ullah | Feb 16, 2017 04:51 | 236706 | |
| The animals are loose [109 words] | Michael S | Feb 26, 2017 00:04 | 236706 | ||
| Some questions are way too bias against a religious person"s right to believe [120 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Daniel | Feb 13, 2017 01:26 | 236682 | ||
| CIS and extreme vetting. [106 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Jay Willingham | Feb 12, 2017 13:17 | 236664 | ||
| Objectivizing the process: Islamicity Index? [226 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Yochanan | Feb 12, 2017 08:08 | 236656 | ||
| 1 | You Are dealing with MUslims [121 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Gloria Stewart | Feb 11, 2017 23:31 | 236646 | |
| Why admit Muslims? [165 words] | Gloria Stewart | Feb 17, 2017 21:21 | 236646 | ||
| 2 | ban [18 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | helen | Feb 10, 2017 00:59 | 236570 | |
| 3 | The Establishment Clause in the Context of the Fifth & Fourteenth Amenments (USA) [473 words] | Robert | Feb 12, 2017 15:53 | 236570 | |
| 2 | Vetting without explicit reference to Islam [365 words] | Chaim Yankel | Feb 9, 2017 15:25 | 236557 | |
| 4 | Establishment of Islam as the Religion of the USA by Islamists [637 words] | Robert | Feb 9, 2017 14:26 | 236552 | |
| Who are Islamists? [197 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Andrew Anderson | Feb 2, 2017 11:39 | 236240 | ||
| Extreme vetting [65 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | FatherJon | Feb 1, 2017 16:59 | 236206 | ||
| A simple, three-step, approach [307 words] | Michael S | Feb 7, 2017 17:21 | 236206 | ||
| 1 | ... one-sided [91 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Mars | Feb 1, 2017 12:39 | 236201 | |
| 1 | Porque? [31 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | carlos alberto feldman | Feb 1, 2017 12:32 | 236199 | |
| Distinguir malas intenciones de Buenos - [247 words] | M Tovey | Feb 6, 2017 17:12 | 236199 | ||
| People who deny Radical Islamic Terrorism, including Gen. McMaster, undermine America [479 words] | M Shoemaker | Feb 26, 2017 04:24 | 236199 | ||
| Not All of America's Enemies Are Muslim [311 words] | M Tovey | Feb 27, 2017 11:45 | 236199 | ||
| Even President Sisi welcomes use of the term "Radical Islamic Terrorism" [223 words] | Michael S | Mar 3, 2017 14:59 | 236199 | ||
| Radical Islamic Terrorism: Not the Only Threat to America [243 words] | M Tovey | Mar 6, 2017 16:48 | 236199 | ||
| Turkey- [333 words] | Michael S | Mar 8, 2017 01:57 | 236199 | ||
| How much of world's GNP is wasted on Islam? [408 words] | Prashant | Mar 8, 2017 22:40 | 236199 | ||
| Religion is 24/7, or it is not a religion [137 words] | Michael S | Mar 11, 2017 12:42 | 236199 | ||
| 3 | Antidisestablishmentarianism vs. Establishing Creeping Islamism in the United States [289 words] | Robert | Feb 1, 2017 12:07 | 236198 | |
| All we are saying,is give Trump a chance [226 words] | Stan | Feb 1, 2017 08:09 | 236182 | ||
| 9 | The real problem is neither "muslims" nor "islamists" [69 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | marlan | Feb 1, 2017 06:22 | 236177 | |
| People are people and not ideology [186 words] | myth | Feb 5, 2017 15:10 | 236177 | ||
| A totalitarian system has to be removed, sooner or later [63 words] | marlan | Feb 7, 2017 10:09 | 236177 | ||
| Two wrong views [78 words] | PezDispenser | Feb 14, 2017 04:08 | 236177 | ||
| There is nothing such as "moderate" islam [34 words] | marlan | Feb 16, 2017 07:34 | 236177 | ||
| Reply [91 words] | PezDispenser | Feb 20, 2017 05:18 | 236177 | ||
| we need muslims in the West to defeat islamism [139 words] | myth | Feb 22, 2017 12:47 | 236177 | ||
| 1 | I do not believe in islam-free muslims [123 words] | marlan | Feb 24, 2017 06:43 | 236177 | |
| 1 | In-order to defeat Islamism support moderate Muslims and for sure never support the Muslim Brotherhood [194 words] | dhimmi no more | Feb 27, 2017 08:32 | 236177 | |
| vet indivuduals and don't cooperate with islamic organizations [231 words] | myth | Mar 3, 2017 03:27 | 236177 | ||
| I am sure the "islamists" will be smoked out of the United Islamic States [101 words] | marlan | Mar 4, 2017 10:13 | 236177 | ||
| 1 | There are violent doctrines in Islam [117 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 6, 2017 08:18 | 236177 | |
| The source of Radical Islamic Terrorism? [100 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 6, 2017 08:38 | 236177 | ||
| 1 | Islam is not reformable [83 words] | marlan | Mar 20, 2017 05:52 | 236177 | |
| Pointless Questioner [34 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Nathan Metric | Feb 1, 2017 06:15 | 236175 | ||
| 1 | A perfect answer to my letter on the Trump ban published in the Jerusalem Post yesterday: [207 words] | Mladen Andrijasevic | Feb 1, 2017 02:37 | 236164 | |
 Ineffective ban [95 words]w/response from Daniel Pipes | Anon | Jan 31, 2017 18:06 | 236143 | ||
| Re: Ineffective ban [240 words] | Anon | Feb 2, 2017 21:30 | 236143 | ||
| 1 | Repeated questions [135 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Mark | Jan 31, 2017 14:53 | 236133 | |
| Muslims do not consider it wrong to lie. [38 words] | Michael S | Feb 1, 2017 03:41 | 236133 | ||
| non serious Trump [100 words] | AS | Feb 4, 2017 05:08 | 236133 | ||
| 2 | With whom does the burden of proof lie? [74 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Stu Fagin | Jan 30, 2017 22:08 | 236088 | |
| 5 | My Letter to jpost.com on Trump's Travel Ban [129 words] | Dave | Jan 30, 2017 21:07 | 236084 | |
| religious tests vs ideological test [766 words] | Erich Wieger | Jan 30, 2017 20:38 | 236083 | ||
| 6 | American Constitutional Rights - for the Rest of (Wo)mankind [620 words] | Robert | Jan 31, 2017 13:36 | 236083 | |
| 1 | "Cheat Codes" [260 words] | Mark Hummel | Jan 31, 2017 21:06 | 236083 | |
| correction [172 words] | Erich Robert Wieger | Feb 1, 2017 13:37 | 236083 | ||
| 1 | Protecing the Rule of American Law - America's Protection is the World's Protection [411 words] | M Tovey | Feb 1, 2017 19:03 | 236083 | |
| 3 | The only way to vet refugees [145 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Gamaliel | Jan 30, 2017 18:20 | 236075 | |
| Questions? Born to lie! [99 words] | Nick Bointon | Feb 1, 2017 08:32 | 236075 | ||
| 4 | The "10%-15% of Muslims who are Islamists" [368 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Peter | Jan 30, 2017 12:40 | 236074 | |
| 1 | irrational omission of Saudi Arabia ,Morocco, Tunesia, Algeria [43 words] | myth | Jan 31, 2017 16:53 | 236074 | |
| active criminals same age group as active islamists [137 words] | myth | Feb 27, 2017 06:12 | 236074 | ||
| 7 | Contemplating Amendment XXVIII to the USA Constitution [677 words] | Robert | Jan 30, 2017 07:55 | 236064 | |
| Congress cannot alter the Bill of Rights; but this shouldn't be a major problem for our President [625 words] | Michael S | Jan 31, 2017 08:03 | 236064 | ||
| 1 | islamic violence against the West in pre 1791 times in Saint Tropez [112 words] | myth | Jan 31, 2017 16:46 | 236064 | |
| Feeling left out? [121 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Moderate Pragmatist | Jan 30, 2017 00:39 | 236042 | ||
| Scary [202 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Nazim Abdullayev | Jan 29, 2017 17:05 | 236022 | ||
| 4 | President Donald Trump supports LGTBQ Rights [349 words] | Robert | Jan 31, 2017 12:36 | 236022 | |
| 1 | Resentment and fear, out of nowhere [285 words] | Jeff | Jan 31, 2017 15:35 | 236022 | |
| not going to happen [366 words] | Mohammed Waza Khiddif id'Ullah | Feb 1, 2017 04:19 | 236022 | ||
| 64% populists [122 words] | Jeff | Feb 7, 2017 15:50 | 236022 | ||
| 3 | "Do you support Israel, or Zionism?" "Yes." "Let her in !" [102 words] | Robert | Jan 29, 2017 15:10 | 236019 | |
| 5 | This Discrimination "Wuestionaire" Discriminates Against Very Bad Muslims - an Inadvertance ? [316 words] | Robert | Jan 29, 2017 14:31 | 236017 |
| 4 | CAIR Florida Disnonesty: "American Muslim" Means Canadian Citizen [111 words] | Robert | Jan 29, 2017 14:02 | 236008 | |
| Just nationality? [12 words] | Gabriel | Jan 29, 2017 08:30 | 235975 | ||
| 2 | Comment [141 words] | Barbara Skiba | Jan 28, 2017 19:57 | 235940 | |
| 3 | can the US send the applicant back? [122 words] | myth | Jan 28, 2017 16:45 | 235931 | |
| 1 | Treaties between States/Countries Governing Deportation [142 words] | Robert | Jan 29, 2017 14:51 | 235931 | |
| 2 | It's the new converts who are dangerous [138 words] | Michael S | Jan 30, 2017 06:03 | 235931 | |
| Questions for the Muslim Applicant for a Visa to the US!! [142 words] | Paul Warren | Jan 30, 2017 22:56 | 235931 |
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