Cooks disputing over recipes, Response to Ellen

Submitted by charles fortner (United States), Aug 19, 2005 at 16:29

Treason has not been pursued for the last century because the nation is ruled by traitors.

Ellen asked what were the core values of the republic when established. I think that very issue is one of the most valuable pursuits of inquiry-and it's not easy to do. Ellen, for me the best way to find what those core values were (and I stress WERE) is to look into what the founders were against. You will find that they were against tyrants-(John Calvin's Geneva Bible used the word "Tyrant" every single time it appeared in the Old Testament instead of the word "king" as you will read since the KJV. The Divine Right of Kings was one thing to which they were opposed. Now we have a president who believes himself president by divine right-the voice of the people is the voice of god, non? And the happy valley of folk who put him there believe themselves to be part of the vocal apparatus-as many demonstrate in this string. They were opposed to censorship of the press and free speech. They were opposed to being spied upon when they met to discuss anything from yogurt to revolution-nowadays students can't have any sort of demonstration without the prying eyes of big brother looking on-and that observing is noted, followed up on, and locked away until needed. As many of the founders were deists. It should be understood that when they used the word "god" it meant "nature". Likewise "creator" did not imply an aversion to scientific inquiry.

President Washington urged us not to become involved in "entangling alliances"-like the intrigues we have been unable, somehow to avoid over the last 150 years at least.

In short the founding fathers were for virtually everything that the present government has burst into full bloom to oppose.

One post called for murdering those we consider traitors. The Rule of law, sir, Lex Rex-nice title for a little book if you can find it too-Samuel Rutherford. Does the poster think for one moment that the Reign of Terror in Revolutionary France or particularly the Great Terror during those days is preferable to the rule of law?

As for the basis of socialism etc in the constitution I believe even a very strict constructionist could see that those things derive directly from "promoting the general welfare and securing the blessings of liberty" of the preamble.

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