Quran and violence-please try to get some facts straight.

Submitted by Non-Muslim YET from Germany (Germany), Feb 1, 2006 at 09:17

Well PDM did you EVER read the Quran,trying to understand it?I would like to ask you to be a bit more modest in what you say coz its NOT true that the Quran tells Muslims to kill Christians or Jews.What the Quran says about Christians or Jews is that they are believers of a book and messages that were sent down before the Quran.Quran criticizes the way of believing of Christians and Jews,Christians for they believe in Jesus being the son of God.Quran disagrees with the Trinity of God,with declaring people as saints after death.Also the fact that Christians changed their holy book given to them by God and sent to them by their Prophets,according to how they needed it is condemned in the Quran.Quran forbids all this and indicates it as wrong:

Oh People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion, nor say of God anything but the truth. Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, was (no more than) a messenger of God, and His Word which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him. So believe in God and His messengers. Say not, 'Trinity.' Desist! It will be better for you, for God is One God, Glory be to Him! (Far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is God as a Disposer of affairs" (4:171).


BUT it also says that those who believe in one God will do good:

"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians -- whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve" (2:62, 5:69, and many other verses).

There are also Ayats(verses)that tell a Muslim to support a Christian or Jew if he/she is in emergency,that a Muslim should not use violence towards Christians or Jews just for the fact that they all believe in one God.You gotta know one thing about the history of Quran.It was send down and written down over a long period of time and hasnt,unlike the Bible,been changed in its content.So if you are reading(incase you do that)about fights between Muslims and Christians this is for these verses have been sent down in a period where Muslims and Christians had battles...BTW for Christians wanted to get rid of Muslims.There were wars going on in the very early years of Islam so these verses are related to that.After all the Quran is also a history book which tells Muslims about the history in that time.Of coz,I admit,theres a huge danger to get all that wrong and many do but still that doesnt mean Islam is a religion of hatred,trying to spread nothing but hate amongst people of different beliefs coz it aint.This is something you can only see if you deal with Islam in a right way,you would have to take out alot of time and I know its hard to try to see the good sides of Islam these days but even I could so I know it is possible.Muslims actually should explain themselves a bit more,its actually their duty to make Dawah(duty)of a Muslim to let people know about the message of Islam but PEACEFULLY.I kind of agree that many Muslims just refuse to do that,e.g I had a Muslim friend and she refused to answer my questions about Islam coz theres also an obligation that tells Muslims to keep their belief tight and only between themselves and Allah.So actually I think often Muslims miss to explain their feelings,their way of believing.If only Muslims,instead of burning the Danish flag,would have explained the reason for their anger,there would have been a bit more understanding maybe,I really gotta say that.By not explaining anything but therefore being violent they strenghten their bad image they were given and noone understands that Islam aint about violence.
Anyway what Quran says about Christians is that they were mislead or mislead themselves by changing their book and that therefore they will feel punishment but this NOT by Muslims and their armys,weapons but by Allah at judgement day.All judging is up to Allah and not to mankind on earth so it will be Him punishing them for being mislead.


So now has come unto you a clear proof (the Qur'an) from your Lord, and a guidance and a mercy. Who then does more wrong than one who rejects the Ayat (proofs, evidences,
verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah and turns away therefrom? We shall requite
those who turn away from Our Ayat with an evil torment, because of their turning away (from
them).

Here you read "WE shall requite...".We means not THEY the Muslims but Allah...get it...the punishment that is meant to be upon them is done by Allah alone!!!


Now dont say this doesnt exist in the Bible,the annoucement of hell-fire for those who didnt live like God wants them to.When Quran tells Muslim to not take Jews etc as friends then this is for Quran sees them as mislead and it doesnt want Muslims to interact with people who dont live after Allahs will.It doesnt mean to tell Muslims to avoid Christians and Jews as human beings but their principals,their belief,coz its wrong and for Islam fears that Christians might corrupt Muslims,like trying to convince them of Christianity being the right thing.


[3:118] O you who believe! Take not as (your) Bitanah (advisors, consultants, protectors, helpers, friends, etc.) those outside your religion(pagans,Jews,Christians, and hypocrites) since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt.

Just a warning that one.And the reason for this warning is:

[5:14] And from those who call themselves Christians,We took their covenant, but they have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them.


Still Quran doesnt generalize as you can seem from what I pasted above.It simply tells Muslims to be careful and to stay away(not make friends etc)with those of the Christians,Jews that are insulting God,change his message etc etc,its a protection thing.
Then I really would like to remind you of the crusaders in the middleage that TRULEY killed people of other beliefs in the name of God so dont claim Christianity to not have war like aspects in its history.You simply cant deny that if you are not blind.
Of coz we see Muslim terrorizing Christians and Jews every day but,and this slowly becomes such a clichee,but seems as if it cant be repeated often enough,those are WRONG,those people throwing bombs,using violence in order to get their islamic state,country etc are mistakend and wrong.Real good Muslims would not even think about killing someone on order to get an islamis state.The fact that they do is for they get everything wrong.

See this:

[3:200] O you who believe! Endure and be more patient (than your enemy),and guard your territory by stationing army units permanently at the places from where the enemy can attack you, and fear Allah, so that you may be successful.

Where do you read something about Muslims attacking Christians here??Though its speaking about army units you can read be patient and you can read that the army units are meant to be placed for DEFENCE,nothing is said about be the first to use these weapons.Get me.

I dont mean to say theres not a single Ayat in the Quran that might drive some Muslim to attack some Christian or Jew but please before giving statements like yours,get informed because you might find out its not all about what you had thought before.I know I cant convince you but maybe reading this you will see there are also different point of views of Non-Muslims,maybe it will make you think,maybe not but I hope it will at least a bit.

PS:for grammatical,vocabulary mistakes I ask for forgiveness,Im German so my English aint that perfect.

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