A challenge for Pat, Howard, hr and Pagan BIBLE and VIOLENCE (thanks Amir)

Submitted by HARRAK (Canada), Feb 18, 2006 at 05:55

Dear participants,

I am not going to engage in Vandalogy (those who speak about the camel urine and flies as if Jesus was living in Alaska where there is no camel urines and flies). But here is the answer that replies to all of you at once as long as we are running a comparative discourse on the violence in the middle east. The Bible is an important component of middle eastern culture:

The bible -comparatively speaking without prejudice- contains more orders to kill than the Quran, more slavery and more violence. I will leave it up to you to explain the peacefull religion:

Exodus 21:12 : who hits a man and kills him is to be put to death, if he did not mean to kill him he can escape ( injustice and anarchy)

Exodus 21 :15,16, 17: kill who hits his father who sells a man and who curse his dad (Violence, Androcentricism, and the law of the camel urines and flies)

Exodus 21: 20: if a man takes a stick and hit a PREGNANT WOMAN and kills her baby he is to be fined (huuuuuuuum, if you curse your dad you can be killed and if you hit a pregnant woman and kill the baby you pay the fine!! that is the religion made by man)

Exodus 22: 16: if a man seduces a virgin he is to mary her and if her father refuses he is to pay the PRICE of a virgin (vergins for sale in the section called moral and religious laws)

Exodus 22: 18: put to death any woman who practices magic (violence and discrimination against women , how about man magician)

Exodus: 22: 19: put to death any man who have sex with an animal..( I did know beastiality what such a problem that people suffered from those days, ancestors sleeping with animals)

...not to make the list longer, that was one page from Exodus. Let me know if you want me to go through the rest..others books have more and more orders to kill, violence unjustified, discrimination on slaves and women, a lot of talking about donkeys (by the way, the camel is cleaner than the donkey)...

Disclaimer: that was a reading based on the stadards used by the persons mentioned in the title and do NOT represent the way I view the Bible. I just used their filter to go through some areas in the bible randomly like they did with the Quran.

Another point, how do you know if I am Muslim, It seems that who ever is against your view point is a Muslim, however that neither confirms nor nagates..

Argue to argue..yes that is the philosophy of speaking (the dialectic approach), not argue to swear which is the philosophy of the Vandalogist.

Amir makes some good points..
later

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