Reply to (Cato, Justme )...

Submitted by Another one (Egypt), Mar 15, 2006 at 16:53

( Cato,Justme) As you both seems to be chanting on the same wave,so that reply is directed specially for the both of you..

First Cato,
No Mister it "DOES" matter to me. Not only to be spelled right,but also to sound right.The closest name for the right spelling of it is
Muhammad. As you referred the name "Muhammad" was written only in Arabic so it has only one meaning to it,not a translation issue in here. And we muslims call "Jesus" "Isa" because that's how he was mentioned in our books,christians arabs like to call him "Yeshua" not "Jesus". but yes i do agree it would absurd to spend half of my post arguing over small issues like this one.

"A far more serious offense is the kind of "respect" you show to him. You claim he was one in a long line of "Muslim" prophets going all the way back to Abraham. In other words, there are no Jewish prophets, there are no Christian prophets, they are all "
Muslims." Talk about arrogance!"

- Islam actually acknowledge that "Moses" was sent to the "israeli nation" with "Taurât" afterwards came "Issa" among them with the (Gospel).
The point of conflict "and there has to be a point of conflict otherwise there would be no problem"
- that long line of prophets which represents the dynasty of prophet "Abraham" who came long ago before the "turat" and"injeel"
those prophets are believed to be following the "Monotheism" the same religion of "Adam" which means "believing in nothing but god". refering to them as "muslims" doesn't mean they were following the religion of"Islam" because it came along way after that.

Muslim / Islam is a common expression in arabic which basically means "submission to Allah" or "submitting your soul to Allah"
that was the meaning of it..I t's not my problem you aren't familiar with the Arabic vocabularies .

- And He (Allâh) will teach him ['Iesa (Jesus)] the Book and Al-Hikmah (i.e. the faultless speech of the Prophets, wisdom), (and) the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel). (Aali Imran 3:48)

Say (O Muhammad ): "O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians): Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but Allâh, and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides Allâh.
Then, if they turn away, say: "Bear witness that we are Muslims." (Aali Imran 3:64)

O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) Why do you dispute about Ibrâhim (Abraham), while the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel) were not revealed till after him? Have you then no sense? (Aali Imran 3:65)

Ibrâhim (Abraham) was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was a true Muslim Hanifa (Islâmic Monotheism - to worship none but Allâh Alone) and he was not of Al-Mushrikûn (See V.2:105). (Aali Imran 3:67)

Just like what our prophet said to the non-muslims"you have your religion,and i have mine" i'll say the same to you..

I'm real sorry for writing your nonsense again but just in case some body missed reading it.
[ As for your silly request that I show you pictures of Mahomet's victims, you are being ridiculous on purpose. Of course there were no cameras in those days, unless the great "Muslim" scientists had them and kept them hidden until the nineteenth century. But I'll
do better than that, if you'll have a little patience. I'll go into my records and find the Surat, Hadith and other sources in your own tradition that mention all the evil things that Mahomet did. Like killing two poets, one a woman with a suckling babe, for "insulting" him. Like chopping of the heads of an entire Jewish tribe's menfolk for daring to oppose him. Like marrying Aisha when she was six and taking her to his lustful bed when she was nine. Is this the "peace" of Islam that we're supposed to respect?]

- Ofcourse i was being sarcastic,and more i was making fun of your lame statements.. i thought it was pretty obvious !
Now i do thank you,you've made my job easier in here.Instead of posting two comments one for you and the other for "justme" i'll "hit the two birds with one stone" since both of you sharing the same inquiry about the claimed "massacre of Banu Qurayza"
ofcourse i'll comment about the other tiny issues right after this :

When the Prophet migrated to Madinah, he was keen on establishing friendly relations between the Muslims and non-Muslim tribes of Arabia such as the "jews". He established a sort of treaty aiming at ruling out all pre-Islamic rancour and inter-tribal feuds. The
following are the clauses of the treaty:

1.The Jews of Bani ‘Awf are one community with the believers. The Jews will profess their religion, and the Muslims theirs.
2.The Jews shall be responsible for their expenditure, and the Muslims for theirs.
3.If attacked by a third party, each shall come to the assistance of the other.
4.Each party shall hold counsel with the other. Mutual relation shall be founded on righteousness; sin is totally excluded.
5.Neither shall commit sins to the prejudice of the other.
6.The wronged party shall be aided.
7.The Jews shall contribute to the cost of war so long as they are fighting alongside the believers.
8.Madinah shall remain sacred and inviolable for all that join this treaty.
9.Should any disagreement arise between the signatories to this treaty, then Allaah, the All-High and His Messenger shall settle the dispute.
10.The signatories to this treaty shall boycott Quraish (The people of Makkah) commercially; they shall also abstain from extending any support to them.
11.Each shall contribute to defending Madinah, in case of a foreign attack, in its respective area.
12.This treaty shall not hinder either party from seeking " lawful revenge ".

Among those who signed the treaty , jews of ( Bani Al-Nadheer, Bani Qaynuqa' , Bani-Qurayza )
those referred tribes broke the treaty under different occasions.
I'll gladly mention the story of bani al-Nadheer and Qaynuqa later if you were both interested .
but let's stick to the main point in here which is about "Bani-Qurayza"

See: http://www.masmn.org/documents/Books/Safiur_Rahman_Mubarakpuri/Raheeq_Al_Maktoom/410.htm


( Like marrying Aisha when she was six and taking her to his lustful bed when she was nine)

SHOW more respect when talking about such a pure figure as the wives of the prophet.Or just keep quite.
"Aisha" was married to the prophet according to her father wish "Abu bakr" one of the faithful companions to the prophet he wanted her to be closer to the prophet at her early childhood so she can learn the great aspects of islam from him,and it was more like the prophet raised her till she reached a proper age for marriage "14" not 9 as you claim...

"Like killing two poets, one a woman with a suckling babe, for "insulting" him "

i don't know what are you blabing about.Try to provide more reasonable information about it if such athing was true !and i'll gladly prove you wrong,again.

- Talking about how prophet dealt with those who opposed or personally insulted him.
there are many examples in the life of a man who faced constant death threats, attempts on his life, abuse and humiliation at the hands of those threatened by his simple but profound message: there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is His last Messenger.
The Prophet opposite reaction was (supplications) for his people" quriysh" on a regular basis: "O Allah! Guide my people, for they know not," he would pray, as he and his followers were beaten, humiliated, scorned and mocked.
- i can give lots of examples which you will consider to be another "tolerance"blah blah,thanks alot i've learned my lessons well so i'm only only answering in the limits of your questions.

" if you'll have a little patience. I'll go into my records and find the Surat, Hadith and other sources in your own tradition that mention all the evil things that Mahomet did"

I admire your courage and your lusting for knowledge ! But then again,stronger than you failed before.The only fact you confirm is the lack of knowledge you represent in every single comment you post about our religion.Plus nobody literally brings us something new. All you have to do is to go to your intelligent recourse which is probably that damned website "prophet of doom" Disgusting mix between fictional data inspired by the author and well fabricated facts.

(.http://www.prophetofdoom.net/quotes1.html)

So thanks alot,keep your information for your self.

O.k it's about time for me to speak..

- Relying on anti-Islamic websites to support your anti-Islamic theory is not the best choice because either they'll be "fraud or built on another person's point of view which could be also wrong".
Personally if i desired to prove some contradictions in the bible.i would have explored the biblical websites that is made be westerners,thus for when someone proves me wrong I'll face him with evidences based on his own followers point of view.Only then we can have some sort of understanding maybe he clarify things that i misunderstood or prove me right by not giving me a straight answer..

So try to look up data from islamic website resources ,and trust me they wont manipulate the quraan or twist it's meanings to fit your requirements !

- Don't believe in our prophet,don't respect him.fine "i wont force you to" but don't use disrespectful expressions like "terrorist,false,pervert" that's not a freedom of speech that's simple impolite.
i don't believe that "Jesus" was a result from a marriage between God and virgin Mary.If i was a lowlife creature as some in here i could use that relation as a subject for mockery calling it "freedom of speech".but i wont go down to that level because it's simply against my principles.

- I understand that there's a clash somehow between Islam and the modern civilization,but thats what the brilliant muslim scholars are for, to match between religion and our daily life,provide us with alternatives for things that used to be done hundreds of years
ago.And trust me their job ain't easy..

- The problem is quraniq phrases loses half of its actual meaning during the translation process.plus as i referred to it at on of my former posts
"Quraan is like no other book you've ever read and needs"like a sensitive chemical
substance" an extreme caution before jumping into harsh conclusions,decisions based on a
certain verses without knowing the meaning of it,and what was the occasion of it's sending.. "
so i'm not a bit surprised when some of you declare that quraan is a mysterious book built on a mass of fictional and mystical stories!

bottom line is :
- Attack the (bigots,extremists,terrorists) from my religion "and you have my never-ending support ".
- Attack my religion "and you've gained your self an enemy".
It's your call after all.....

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