Re: I don't understand / RE: Moravian + Hind Samy

Submitted by Moravian (United Kingdom), Mar 20, 2006 at 18:35

Submitted by Danish/American, Mar 18, 2006 at 18:26

The thing I do not get is how a religion, any religion, in this day and age can think it is alright to kill anyone who is not with their religion. I didn't understand how it could have happend in the middle ages, and I REALLY can't understand how it can happen today.

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Firstly I don't see much connection in your whole response to my comment. I don't know why you didn't send it as a separate topic.

To your point. It happened in Christian history and it's very bad and Jesus is definitely dissapointed from that. You can hardly understand it because you didn't live at that time, that space and I don't understand it either. (btw Jesus having been whipped carrying the cross "For if men do these things when the tree is green, what will happen when it is dry?" - Luke 23:31). Also it's hard to understand it happens nowadays, but it happens and it's bad (in my point of view). If you are blaming me (...would be most disappointed in all of you. ), then I don't know for what. I expressed my opinion in which part it was so dissapointing? If I think some things are bad why not to tell how I think it it is.

I can only tell you my point of view how the New testament looks on it. Jesus and almost all of his apostles (John died naturally) died because they refused to give up their teaching. You can can think they were misguided, who knows, but there is pretty strong genetic resistance to let someone else to kill me just because of my faith, so the power, which let them to do so, had to be magical.

In the New testament there is not even one sentence which would call to kill anyone else. On the contrary Jesus is upset on Peter in Getseman garden, when he tried to defend him and cut off one of the soldier's ear. Apart from that he made many miracles curing a lot of people. I think you know Jesus's sentence: "'You shall love the Lord, your God with all your heart, and with all your sould, and with all your mind.' This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like unto it, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets." (Matthew 22:35-40). This is clear and simple summary of the New testament.

Also having washed feet of his apostles: "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all [men] know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another." (John 13:34-35).

Jesus was whipped and crucified by people (so any cartoon or anything else can't insult him more) even though saying on the cross "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."

Only for the sake of completness. I believe he did a miracles (how would he be God if he couldn't do a miracle, it's for longer description, yeah it's hard to accept this nowadays; it's based on several apostles witnessing, if I assumed he didn't make a miracle, than I couldn't believe he is a God). I don't say God does exist, I say I do believe God exists. If I didn't believe in Jesus I would be atheist, as there is no stronger story and people's will to pay the highest price for their statements. (I read few surahs from Koran, some articles and one book about Islam and had few lectures on Buddhism and Hinduism, but really a bit, but I am not a total ignorant on these topics :-).

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Submitted by Hind Samy, Mar 19, 2006 at 03:01

My country which is predominantly Muslim has many churches, and a couple of Jewish temples (maybe more). People of different religions are allowed to practice their religions freely.
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You forgot to mention what country it is .... so I can't disagree ;-).

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Submitted by Hind Samy, Mar 19, 2006 at 03:01

If Christians were so downtrodden in Muslim countries, then why is one of the richest and most powerful men in my country a Christian?

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There are many examples that non-muslims live together well with muslims (but certain views in Islam seems to me violent, I differ muslims and Islam). What I stated there are many cases where christians and non-muslims generally are persecuted by muslims - and I think it has support in Islam in itself. (of course it's done by certain people; there are good and bad people). It happens, and it's bad. I change my former sentence to: Islam (meaning in itself) is usually peaceful to muslims, sometimes peaceful to non muslims and often hostile to non muslims.

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Submitted by Hind Samy, Mar 19, 2006 at 03:01

My reply:
"I am Muslim and I call on Muslims to stop attacking the Danish people".
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Fair enough if you mean it seriously, I wish the majority thought the same.

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