To Harrak, Muslims have discredited and killed each other since beginning

Submitted by Dr Aziz Siddiqui (United States), Mar 23, 2006 at 16:31

Mr Harrak: If I am using ayas out of context, would you mind giving me the right context. Quran has no chronology or context.Sahih hadiths and original siras are the only sources of Quran's chronolgy and context.

Your referred authorities have no merit as the sunni imams call all shias as kafirs and vice versa. Muslims have been discrediting and killing each other since beginning. Three of the rightly guided caliphs and Mohammed's favourite companions were killed by muslims. The beloved son in law of the prophet, Ali, fought a war with most beloved wife of the prophet, Ayesha , killing thousands of muslims. Imam Ali himself was called a kafir by fundamentalist muslims( Kharijis) and killed, so no surprise that your imams are discrediting Bukhari. Some even call him a kafir.

Whereas denying hadiths is concerned, why are you counting few names, thousands of heretic muslims following sects like submitters, Tulu e Islam and Tawhidis deny not only Bukhari but all hadiths.Many muslims even thought that Quran was corrupted and killed caliph Usman, blaming him for that.

Who knew the context more, your referred masters or Buhkari ,Muslim Ishaq and Tabari who are the only sources of siras?
Dont you know that your siritual masters, the mullahs in thae islamic countries have given fatwa that every muslim living and working in a kafir country,( that includes you), are kafirs? I dont blame them because quran calls all non muslims:" Allah's enemies (2.98) evil (2.99),losers(2.121),worst beast(8.55),miscreants(24.55), dirty(9.28) lowest creatures(98.6) belong to Satan's party(4.76) perverts(9.30).
Allah asked you muslims not to obey but fight them(24.52),stay away from them(6.106)dont befriend the(3.48) , if you make them friends you are one of them(5.51).

Besides denying hadith is denying Quran. Quran says "Obey Allah and Obey Mohammed (throughout Quran), Obeying Mohammed is obeying Allah (4.80), follow Mohammed, Mohammed is your example (33.21), his character is your standard (68.4). If you deny hadiths where will you go to find what Mohammed said and did Mr. Harrak?

Why are you giving examples of a few people who deny hadiths , there are thousands belonging to heretic groups like submitters, tulu e islam, tauhidians who deny all hadiths.

You have a right to believe whatever you want but dont call it islam. Islam is following Allah and Mohammed.What Allah said is in quran . What Mohammed said is in hadiths and sira. You (and your imams) may deny all you want, all the later violent later ayas of Quran and chronicles of Ishaq, Tabari, Saad, Waqqidi, Bukhari, Muslim and Abu Dawood show that Mohammed preached violence against non muslims and himself killed, raped, practised polygamy, pillaged, looted and terrorized.

Quran confirms that Mohammed killed many:
3.152 You slew them by Allah's permission

33.26 Some you slew, and some you made captives;
(Every male of Quraiza tribe, above the age of 13 were killed, others were made captives, Mohammed took beautiful teenager Rehana as booty)
8.017 I: It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah:
Mohammed slept with captured women:
33.50 O prophet, we have allowed thee thy wives unto whom thou hast given their dower, and also the captured women[booty] which God hath granted thee.
Mohammed robbed and looted for living:
8.041 I: And know that out of all the booty that ye may acquire a fifth share is assigned to Allah,- and to the Messenger.

Mr. Harrak. You are doubting hadiths which were based on testimonies of hundreds of pious men , but believe in Quran which was quoted by a man who claimed to have flown billions of miles on a flying horse and claimed to have talked to Allah who gave him permission to kill non believers and sleep with their women ( and marry his own lovely daughter in law), and he did not have a single witness of his encounter with Allah (or Gibraeel).

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