To Taj

Submitted by Richard Lion heart (United States), Apr 12, 2006 at 16:38

In your comments you did something typical of someone trying to pass a lie for the truth. Aside from your attempts at attacking, you presented information that does not change anything. In other words a long comment with nothing substantial in it.

How much does someone need to know about islam before passing judgment on it? To me the answer is very easy. Read the koran, hadith and books about the history of islam. From western and muslim authors alike. But most importantly, study the behavior and actions of muslims.

Muslims regard the hadith as second to the koran in importance. Yet you don't believe the very things these hadith say. A lot of hadith are very damaging to Muhammed and his claim to prophethood. That's many muslims don't use them and others only believe in parts of them. Now what does that say about the religion of islam. If the muslims find the hadith to be so controversial and unreliable, why believe in them at all. Yet they are place second only to the koran. Your attempts at using conjectures and suppositions to proove that Asisha was a young adult when she married Muhammad are in stark contradictions with the direct language used in the Koran. Usually muslims try to defend Muhammed act by saying it was tradition back then to marry 9 year old girls, but don't try to change her age. I wonder how many people believe in that like you do? The information you used in your hypothesis I'm sure you got from the hadith and other islmic text. I'm sure there are lots of imams who would disagree with your claim. What does your hadith say about that subject:

Sahih Bukhari

Narrated Aisha: The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234

All the relevant sources (Bukhari, Ibn Hisham, Tabari, Ibn al-Athir, Ibn Sa'd, Ibn Hanbal, etc.) maintain that Aisha was bethroted to Mohammed when she was 6, and the marraige was consummated 3 years later.Dates commonly accepted by scholars: Birth Muhammad(570), birth Aisha(614 or 615). Bethrothal(620 or 621), Consummation of marriage(623 or 624). In particular the "consummation" of marriage is said to have taken place after the hidjra in Shawwal 1 or 2. Between 621 and 623 Asiha is said to have contracted a disease whereby she temporarily lost her hair.

What is "sick" is that Muhammad had started to dream of a union with Aisha already when she was 4-5 years old: "You were shown to me twice (in my dream) before I married you...(and) I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen." He was to use a similar tactic when he wanted to marry his step son's wife. A tactic which Aisha later came to understand as fraud, as in: "Aisha said: O Allah's Apostle! I do not see, but, that your Lord hurries in pleasing you."
Muhammad wasted no time in realizing what he had been dreaming. Already when Aisha was 6 "The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry." Here it does not seem that Abu Bakr consented to the marriage wholeheartedly.

So Tay your conjectures and suppositions just won't cut it.

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