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Submitted by Lisa (Canada), Apr 9, 2006 at 18:41

Dear Harrak

Although I answered this several times but it doesn't harm to answer again, I realy hope this time that you read my answer and try to research to find out if I am making lies.

New testament was written: 40-100 A.D.
Earliest Copy: 125 A.D.
Time Span: 25-50 yrs
Discovered Manuscripts: 24,000
Translation: were not done from translation, they were done from originals, again you keep on repeating this point, please research it as well

We have tens of thousands of manuscripts of the New Testament in part or in whole, dating from the second century A.D. to the late fifteenth century. These manuscripts have been found in Egypt, Palestine, Syria, Turkey, Greece, and Italy, making collusion unlikely. The oldest manuscript, the John Rylands manuscript, has been dated to 125 A.D. and was found in Egypt, some distance from where the New Testament was originally composed in Asia Minor). Many early Christian papyri, discovered in 1935, have been dated to 150 A.D., and include the four gospels. The Papyrus Bodmer II, discovered in 1956, has been dated to 200 A.D., and contains 14 chapters and portions of the last seven chapters of the gospel of John. The Chester Beatty biblical papyri, discovered in 1931, has been dated to 200-250 A.D. and contains the Gospels, Acts, Paul's Epistles, and Revelation. The number of manuscripts is extensive compared to other ancient historical writings, such as Caesar's "Gallic Wars" (10 Greek manuscripts, the earliest 950 years after the original), the "Annals" of Tacitus (2 manuscripts, the earliest 950 years after the original), Livy (20 manuscripts, the earliest 350 years after the original), and Plato (7 manuscripts).

Thousands of early Christian writings and lexionaries (first and second century) cite verses from the New Testament. In fact, it is nearly possible to put together the entire New Testament just from early Christian writings. For example, the Epistle of Clement to the Corinthians (dated 95 A.D.) cites verses from the Gospels, Acts, Romans, 1 Corinthians, Ephesians, Titus, Hebrews, and 1 Peter. The letters of Ignatius (dated 115 A.D.) were written to several churches in Asia Minor and cites verses from Matthew, John, Romans, 1 & 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, 1 & 2 Timothy and Titus. These letters indicate that the entire New Testament was written in the first century A.D. In addition, there is internal evidence for a first century date for the writing of the New Testament. The book of Acts ends abruptly with Paul in prison, awaiting trial (Acts 28:30-31 (1)). It is likely that Luke wrote Acts during this time, before Paul finally appeared before Nero. This would be about 62-63 A.D., meaning that Acts and Luke were written within thirty years of ministry and death of Jesus. Another internal evidence is that there is no mention of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. Although Matthew, Mark and Luke record Jesus' prophecy that the temple and city would be destroyed within that generation (Matthew 24:1-2 (2),Mark 13:1-2 (3), Luke 21:5-9,20-24,32(4)), no New Testament book refers to this event as having happened. If they had been written after 70 A.D., it is likely that letters written after 70 A.D. would have mentioned the fulfillment of Jesus' prophecy. As stated by Nelson Glueck, former president of the Jewish Theological Seminary in the Hebrew Union College in Cincinnati, and renowned Jewish archaeologist, "In my opinion, every book of the New Testament was written between the forties and eighties of the first century A.D."

With all of the massive manuscript evidence you would think there would be massive discrepancies - just the opposite is true. New Testament manuscripts agree in 99.5% of the text (compared to only 95% for the Iliad). Most of the discrepancies are in spelling and word order. A few words have been changed or added. There are two passages that are disputed but no discrepancy is of any doctrinal significance (i.e., none would alter basic Christian doctrine). Most Bibles include the options as footnotes when there are discrepancies. How could there be such accuracy over a period of 1,400 years of copying? Two reasons: The scribes that did the copying had meticulous methods for checking their copies for errors. 2) The Holy Spirit made sure we would have an accurate copy of God's word so we would not be deceived. The Mormons, theological liberals as well as other religeons such as Islam that claim the Bible has been tampered with are completely proven false by the extensive, historical manuscript evidence.

Peace be with you
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White House Nonchalance [764 words]kim segarMar 21, 2006 12:4940935
Radical Islam [58 words]Alyn StarkmanMar 21, 2006 12:4740934
The debilitating and dark side of political correctness [115 words]David W. LincolnMar 21, 2006 12:3540933
The wealthy terrorist [233 words]PigfootMar 22, 2006 13:5940933
Fine sentiment however political correctness rules the land [168 words]Reuben HorneMar 31, 2006 17:4440933
Don't worry. be happy! [363 words]JohnMar 21, 2006 11:5740929
The Big Dog removes his teeth and then growls loudly [80 words]Kevin MMar 21, 2006 11:5340927
Oil, oil and oil [183 words]E. J. BlumbergMar 21, 2006 11:1540921
Connecting the Dots [379 words]RickMar 21, 2006 11:0240918
Nice post, Rick... [32 words]orange yonasonMar 21, 2006 14:2940918
Right on the mark - Rick [213 words]JaladhiMar 21, 2006 16:2940918
to richard the lion hearted [390 words]rickMar 27, 2006 17:4340918
Bush calls a spade a "spade," except in Israel, it is a "heart." [327 words]Dr RJPMar 21, 2006 10:2540915
Been There, Done That [74 words]ornage yonasonMar 25, 2006 22:4240915
Pipes - most lucid of all commentators [44 words]William Sumner ScottMar 21, 2006 09:5740914
This observer wishes [36 words]Howard E. CookMar 21, 2006 09:0140904
Cut Short [38 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
GeorgeMar 21, 2006 08:5040902
Mideast End Result [197 words]John R. PeacherMar 21, 2006 08:2640900

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