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Can Israel survive in spite of spirit of defeatism?
Reader comment on item: Israel Shuns Victory
Submitted by Steve and Michal Kramer (Israel), Mar 28, 2006 at 10:36
What's so frustrating is the obvious validity of the argument for defeating the enemy. You can't make nice with an opponent trying to wipe you out, right? Wrong, as far as the effete element of Israeli (and Jewish) society is concerned. As olim from America, who chose to raise our two sons here in Israel, we are extremely disconcerted to hear that "Israelis are tired of winning," as Ehud Olmert quipped. But we remain optimistic, nevertheless.Note: Opinions expressed in comments are those of the authors alone and not necessarily those of Daniel Pipes. Original writing only, please. Comments are screened and in some cases edited before posting. Reasoned disagreement is welcome but not comments that are scurrilous, off-topic, commercial, disparaging religions, or otherwise inappropriate. For complete regulations, see the "Guidelines for Reader Comments".
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| First, win the war on public opinion, or at least equal the other sides efforts [37 words] | Wallace Brand | Sep 10, 2016 22:38 | 232536 | ||
| Pipe(s) dream [44 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Canuck | Oct 8, 2008 10:02 | 139735 | ||
| israel must fight to live because of islamic hatred [71 words] | Phil Greend | Jun 2, 2007 08:10 | 95762 | ||
| Israel, Jews, and THEIR LAND !! [28 words] | Kat | Apr 3, 2007 10:23 | 88490 | ||
| Israel Shuns Victory Art. No.3479 [65 words] | S.C.Panda | May 19, 2006 03:56 | 45938 | ||
| win the war [118 words] | alan winters, md, jd. | Apr 7, 2006 14:47 | 42636 | ||
| Israel - Protected in Victory or Defeat [600 words] | M. Tovey | Apr 5, 2006 19:24 | 42488 | ||
 amen [105 words] | true believer | Apr 7, 2006 08:05 | 42488 | ||
| Amir Taheri [36 words] | Elisha Galon | Apr 3, 2006 09:04 | 42208 | ||
| 3 questions in Haaretz for Dr Pipes [43 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | HARRAK | Apr 1, 2006 22:34 | 42093 | ||
| Divine intervention hay [128 words] | rench | Apr 1, 2006 15:46 | 42073 | ||
| The Resolution for the Israeli-Arab conflict is " PEEMO " [307 words] | John | Apr 1, 2006 15:01 | 42072 | ||
| Noble intentions, indeed, but.... [126 words] | Arvind Madhavan | Apr 2, 2006 04:24 | 42072 | ||
| Spell it out Mr Pipes [46 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Barry L | Apr 2, 2006 08:03 | 42072 | ||
| if dreams could come true [17 words] | ahmad zafire | Apr 2, 2006 13:00 | 42072 | ||
| PEEMO will be based on hard work, good service [47 words] | Trickery | Jul 19, 2008 09:45 | 42072 | ||
| Goals and winning [110 words] | Daniel Nanavati | Apr 1, 2006 14:00 | 42070 | ||
| Palestinians refusing to destroy poultry infected with bird flu [163 words] | Chris | Apr 1, 2006 13:22 | 42063 | ||
| The bird flu is just the least of it [90 words] | yuval brandstetter MD | Apr 3, 2006 10:34 | 42063 | ||
| Suicide [154 words] | Arvind Madhavan | Apr 1, 2006 07:39 | 42048 | ||
| To Arvind Madhavan, you are correct., [375 words] | faqi | Apr 2, 2006 15:35 | 42048 | ||
| Palestinians = Islamists [431 words] | PT | Apr 1, 2006 04:03 | 42042 | ||
| Palistinians are moslems [4 words] | MMHanna | Apr 17, 2006 18:14 | 42042 | ||
| Game Theory approach [78 words] | Eric Maass | Mar 31, 2006 22:04 | 42028 | ||
| wrong on two counts [149 words] | yuval brandstetter MD | Apr 1, 2006 07:20 | 42028 | ||
| RE: ⇒ Game Theory approach [179 words] | LeaNder | Apr 1, 2006 11:19 | 42028 | ||
| A good idea but.... [52 words] | John Yorke | Jun 16, 2007 08:20 | 42028 | ||
| Broader implications [423 words] | Reuben Horne | Mar 31, 2006 18:31 | 42005 | ||
| Finessing War, America's or Israel's fault? [67 words] | Simpleton | Mar 31, 2006 15:18 | 41986 | ||
| Pipes is on target, but ahead of his time. [282 words] | Jerry Krasnow | Mar 31, 2006 08:49 | 41958 | ||
| Full of Contradictions [125 words] | Wiktor | Mar 31, 2006 08:22 | 41953 | ||
| the international community is the problem [232 words] | peter42y2 | Mar 31, 2006 05:28 | 41946 | ||
| to peter42y2 [13 words] | gary | Apr 1, 2006 11:19 | 41946 | ||
| we are just not determined enough, sorry [286 words] | idan | Mar 31, 2006 01:33 | 41936 | ||
| america partly to blame. [139 words] | ahmad zafire | Mar 30, 2006 20:26 | 41916 | ||
| to zafire [116 words] | gary | Mar 31, 2006 15:22 | 41916 | ||
| No Ahmad, you have to go back 1,400 years to find anyone living in peace. [311 words] | Greg | Mar 31, 2006 22:46 | 41916 | ||
| gary [126 words] | ahmad zafire | Apr 1, 2006 17:00 | 41916 | ||
| to zafire [63 words] | gary | Apr 7, 2006 18:14 | 41916 | ||
| Destruction [79 words] | Daniel Back | Mar 30, 2006 17:46 | 41904 | ||
| Memo to Daniel: They had a state in 1948 and they rejected it! [225 words] | Greg | Mar 31, 2006 23:02 | 41904 | ||
| The price of victory [288 words] | yuval brandstetter MD | Mar 30, 2006 16:06 | 41891 | ||
| You've made sense when I've read your comments before. . . but this [164 words] | sully | Mar 31, 2006 13:54 | 41891 | ||
| COMMENTARY ON ISRAELI ELECTION RESULTS [645 words] | Fern Sidman | Mar 30, 2006 12:51 | 41883 | ||
| excellent essay Fern but that is horse not an SUV dialogue/ if we reverse the situation!!! [245 words] | HARRAK | Mar 30, 2006 16:39 | 41883 | ||
| To Fern - Can you clarify? [129 words] | Pat | Mar 30, 2006 20:47 | 41883 | ||
| Dear Fern [141 words] | Kenneth S. Besig | Mar 31, 2006 05:02 | 41883 | ||
| With the UN and the EU now in charge, everybody shuns victory! [131 words] | Kenneth S. Besig | Mar 30, 2006 10:17 | 41874 | ||
| Peace cannot be attained by cajoling the side that wants peace [131 words] | Sully | Mar 30, 2006 09:52 | 41872 | ||
| Israel shuns victory [21 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | ari | Mar 30, 2006 06:07 | 41862 | ||
| 1 | False example and overgeneralization [117 words] | EJ | Mar 29, 2006 22:16 | 41848 | |
| it's not really their 'home' [161 words] | Donald O | Mar 29, 2006 20:49 | 41838 | ||
| what utter and complete nonsense [151 words] | yuval brandstetter MD | Mar 30, 2006 16:49 | 41838 | ||
| Donald O [318 words] | Bill Haley | Mar 30, 2006 17:41 | 41838 | ||
| Donald O, Propaganda or History [379 words] | Infidel | Mar 30, 2006 19:27 | 41838 | ||
| Lesson in history for Infidel [317 words] | Bader S | Mar 31, 2006 17:52 | 41838 | ||
| RE: Bill [241 words] | Donald O | Mar 31, 2006 20:26 | 41838 | ||
| re: yuval [298 words] | Donald O | Mar 31, 2006 20:38 | 41838 | ||
| Home ownership [260 words] | yuval brandstetter MD | Apr 1, 2006 07:39 | 41838 | ||
| Bader S is right again [156 words] | Infidel | Apr 2, 2006 03:22 | 41838 | ||
| barabric acquisition [67 words] | yuval brandstetter MD | Apr 3, 2006 16:54 | 41838 | ||
| No compromise [379 words] | true believer | Apr 7, 2006 10:51 | 41838 | ||
| The hour has come [228 words] | MI | Mar 29, 2006 18:33 | 41827 | ||
| I thought I'd read it all..... [201 words] | Bryan Jackson | Mar 31, 2006 16:48 | 41827 | ||
| Israel In A Crisis Of Confidence [76 words] | AnneM | Mar 29, 2006 13:27 | 41793 | ||
| It's all about INTENTIONS [461 words] | Peter Feinsteni | Mar 29, 2006 12:41 | 41789 | ||
| Victory or Oblivion [207 words] | Peter H. Ronai | Mar 29, 2006 11:00 | 41783 | ||
| who is the winner in the Israeli Arab conflict!? [22 words] | Harrak | Mar 29, 2006 10:47 | 41781 | ||
| its the opposite [43 words] | yuval brandstetter MD | Mar 30, 2006 16:57 | 41781 | ||
| a parallel between Israeli avoidance and American blindness [173 words] | Carmen Waggoner, Ph.D. | Mar 29, 2006 10:11 | 41778 | ||
| Israel Shuns Victory [51 words] | buck schott | Mar 29, 2006 09:27 | 41776 | ||
| Israel isn't fighting for acceptance. [62 words] | Ido Carmi | Mar 29, 2006 09:02 | 41775 | ||
| RE: Israel isn't fighting for acceptance [165 words] | John | Apr 2, 2006 17:36 | 41775 | ||
| You are absolutely right Mr.Daniel Pipes, but [70 words] | Y.Eliashiv | Mar 29, 2006 08:53 | 41774 | ||
| Israel Shuns Victory [24 words] | RB | Mar 29, 2006 08:51 | 41773 | ||
| A LESSON FROM THE BLACK ANT [475 words] | NEIL CAMERON / 6443 | Mar 29, 2006 05:30 | 41765 | ||
| magnum opus of the list [133 words] | Brendan Gormley | Mar 29, 2006 05:22 | 41762 | ||
| How to Win [224 words] | Dave Green | Mar 29, 2006 01:58 | 41747 | ||
| Dave's sobering comment [66 words] | Jonathann | Jul 16, 2006 02:22 | 41747 | ||
| Success vs Win [196 words] | Jay | Mar 29, 2006 01:18 | 41743 | ||
| Pipes was wrong [57 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | ARB | Mar 29, 2006 00:36 | 41739 | ||
| Pipes' broken crystal ball [86 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Andrew | Mar 29, 2006 00:32 | 41738 | ||
| The US vs the "Terrorists" not unlike Israel vs the Palestinians. [372 words] | Jim Wright | Mar 28, 2006 23:36 | 41734 | ||
| Israel Shuns Victory [58 words] | Steven L | Mar 28, 2006 23:15 | 41731 | ||
| relevance, substance and tone and Israeli election. [225 words] | Harrak | Mar 28, 2006 22:53 | 41729 | ||
| Shun Violence [359 words] | true believer | Mar 29, 2006 14:35 | 41729 | ||
| GoodBye Israel Victory [129 words] | Big Hope | Mar 30, 2006 21:48 | 41729 | ||
| proverbs- Harrak [68 words] | Barbara | Mar 31, 2006 11:43 | 41729 | ||
| The symantically challenged Barbara / a lesson on the types of ideas [267 words] | Harrak | Mar 31, 2006 15:37 | 41729 | ||
| re : Darwin's theory- Barbara [572 words] | true believer | Apr 21, 2006 09:19 | 41729 | ||
| the old way [51 words] | jim | Mar 28, 2006 22:34 | 41726 | ||
| Israeli offer [196 words] | faqi | Mar 28, 2006 21:07 | 41717 | ||
| To: Faqi [178 words] | Blackspeare | Mar 28, 2006 23:11 | 41717 | ||
| Whoever said that Palestinians want peace with Israel? [187 words] | Greg | Mar 28, 2006 23:55 | 41717 | ||
| in denial [100 words] | terry silber | Mar 29, 2006 08:19 | 41717 | ||
| What would victory look like? [57 words] | Evan | Mar 29, 2006 11:17 | 41717 | ||
| To Blackspeare [69 words] | faqi | Mar 29, 2006 14:38 | 41717 | ||
| Israel Has Always had the Road Map [73 words] | Jane O | Mar 28, 2006 19:09 | 41703 | ||
| shunning victory [82 words] | robert fink | Mar 28, 2006 18:32 | 41698 | ||
| The next generation... [291 words] | J.S. | Mar 28, 2006 18:20 | 41697 | ||
| WHAT SORT OF SIGNAL IS ISRAEL SENDING? [654 words] | Dr. Steve Carol | Mar 28, 2006 16:18 | 41674 | ||
| To: Dr. Carol [258 words] | Blackspeare | Mar 28, 2006 18:33 | 41674 | ||
| Israel Avoids Victory [184 words] | Gunther H. Schiff | Mar 28, 2006 16:10 | 41673 | ||
| You can't win all wars [159 words] | Bruce Boyman | Mar 28, 2006 15:31 | 41665 | ||
| from the begining... hopefully not the end!! [154 words] | ahmad zafire | Mar 28, 2006 21:39 | 41665 | ||
| Achieving Victory [136 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Gil Bindelglas | Mar 28, 2006 15:29 | 41664 | ||
| a Solution [23 words] | yuval brandstetter MD | Mar 30, 2006 17:02 | 41664 | ||
| Historical record of victory [175 words] | Gabriel H. Newhouse | Mar 28, 2006 15:13 | 41662 | ||
| Winning the War [208 words] | Bill Storey | Mar 28, 2006 14:55 | 41661 | ||
| There is no way to win Arab/Palestinian hearts [218 words] | Muriel Efron | Mar 28, 2006 14:49 | 41659 | ||
| Victory - but how? [319 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | peter | Mar 28, 2006 14:23 | 41656 | ||
| A not irrelevant minor incident in 1967. [63 words] | Geoffrey Lewis | Mar 28, 2006 14:22 | 41655 | ||
| A War of Endurance [178 words] | Pat | Mar 28, 2006 14:16 | 41652 | ||
| Concur [142 words] | ralph shapiro | Mar 28, 2006 13:59 | 41651 | ||
| The nanny factor in Israel's lap [106 words] | marion d s dreyfus | Mar 28, 2006 13:52 | 41650 | ||
| fighting yesteryear's wars [384 words] | john w. mcginley | Mar 28, 2006 13:51 | 41649 | ||
| What is the plan for victory? [104 words] | Jonathan D. Safren | Mar 28, 2006 13:41 | 41648 | ||
| Korea and Moral Equivalency [199 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | James Eckert | Mar 28, 2006 13:35 | 41647 | ||
| One Nagging Question [11 words] | randall g | Mar 28, 2006 13:29 | 41646 | ||
| How can Israel win!! [77 words] | Harrak | Mar 29, 2006 15:00 | 41646 | ||
| The War of 1967 never ended [323 words] | Dr RJP | Mar 28, 2006 12:44 | 41643 | ||
| This is not a war. [538 words] | Ghulam Muhammed, Mumbai | Mar 28, 2006 12:33 | 41642 | ||
| Four Rupee Dreams [385 words] | sanjay | Mar 29, 2006 14:21 | 41642 | ||
| "belong" Sanjay? [151 words] | Donald O | Mar 29, 2006 21:37 | 41642 | ||
| Mr. Gulam Muhammad [203 words] | Asim Deb | Mar 30, 2006 00:34 | 41642 | ||
| Dear Sir from Mumbai... [598 words] | J.S. | Mar 30, 2006 19:01 | 41642 | ||
| "muslim grasp of fundamental aspect of nature"?? [220 words] | Anubhav Singh | Mar 31, 2006 01:51 | 41642 | ||
| To Ghulam Muhammed, [69 words] | Vijay | Mar 31, 2006 08:23 | 41642 | ||
| to ghulam mohammed [358 words] | gary | Apr 1, 2006 11:05 | 41642 | ||
| To Ghulam Muhammed, Mumbai [252 words] | LeaNder | Apr 2, 2006 11:32 | 41642 | ||
| British role in Jewish-Palestinian imbroglio [174 words] | Ghulam Muhammed, Mumbai | Jun 23, 2007 03:35 | 41642 | ||
| Palestinians [91 words] | Seymour Teitelbaum | Mar 28, 2006 12:32 | 41641 | ||
| how to win? [100 words] | Shepard Barbash | Mar 28, 2006 12:31 | 41639 | ||
| Shunning Victory [203 words] | J Glueck | Mar 28, 2006 12:27 | 41637 | ||
| Daniel is "right on"once again regarding Israel Shuns Victory [57 words] | Allyson Rowen Taylor | Mar 28, 2006 12:21 | 41636 | ||
| Likud! Likud! [133 words] | Melvin A. Fechter | Mar 28, 2006 12:20 | 41634 | ||
| Absolutely right. [248 words] | martin kessler | Mar 28, 2006 12:03 | 41632 | ||
| Defending Sharansky [104 words] | David W. Lincoln | Mar 28, 2006 11:51 | 41630 | ||
| Question [33 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Ziva Dahl | Mar 28, 2006 11:47 | 41629 | ||
| Compromise= defeat [110 words] | Octavio Johanson | Mar 28, 2006 11:45 | 41627 | ||
| ISRATINE replacing ISRAEL and the UN controled zone project [341 words] | HARRAK | Mar 28, 2006 11:38 | 41626 | ||
| Israel's war goals [60 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Vic Rosenthal | Mar 28, 2006 11:32 | 41624 | ||
| RE: Followup question for Dr. Pipes [104 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | N. Sharon | Mar 30, 2006 03:53 | 41624 | ||
| It seems the Israelis are not interested why the other side thinks the way it does [109 words] | Mladen Andrijasevic | Mar 28, 2006 11:19 | 41622 | ||
| To what end? [86 words] | Pat | Mar 29, 2006 12:24 | 41622 | ||
| Right on the money [140 words] | Victor Purinton | Mar 28, 2006 11:19 | 41621 | ||
| Victory? [54 words] | maxine cohen | Mar 28, 2006 10:49 | 41616 | ||
 Can Israel survive in spite of spirit of defeatism? [76 words] | Steve and Michal Kramer | Mar 28, 2006 10:36 | 41615 | ||
| "Israel Shuns Victory" [107 words] | ShirleyAnn Addy | Mar 28, 2006 10:11 | 41609 | ||
| Winning [37 words] | Donald W. Bales | Mar 28, 2006 09:58 | 41607 | ||
| The Price then and now has changed [44 words] | SFauvis | Jul 28, 2012 14:12 | 41607 | ||
| Victory? [203 words] | Elisha Galon | Mar 28, 2006 09:50 | 41606 | ||
| Re (Not) Winning the War [41 words] | Anthony Dayton | Mar 28, 2006 09:39 | 41602 | ||
| The Terrirorial Imperative [25 words] | Stewart R. Gable | Mar 28, 2006 09:35 | 41601 | ||
| Isreal is a Pawn [195 words] | William Sumner Scott | Mar 28, 2006 09:28 | 41600 | ||
| We win! We win! [118 words] | Donald O | Mar 29, 2006 21:09 | 41600 | ||
| israel DOES shun victory -- absolutely [242 words] | rabbi richard polirer | Mar 28, 2006 09:20 | 41598 | ||
| Finally, I Rabbi that makes sense [126 words] | Nabil Shwarma | Mar 30, 2006 07:32 | 41598 | ||
| Israel's survival [105 words] | Jerome B. Meyer | Mar 28, 2006 09:18 | 41597 | ||
| Winning the war [115 words] | Roman | Mar 28, 2006 15:32 | 41597 | ||
| Israel Shuns Victory [129 words] | Asim Deb | Mar 29, 2006 02:49 | 41597 | ||
| A question of definition [105 words] | Jon | Mar 29, 2006 10:18 | 41597 | ||
| How to win? [232 words] | Concerned European | Mar 28, 2006 09:07 | 41596 | ||
| Intractable Enemy [114 words] | Paul M. Neville | Mar 28, 2006 22:14 | 41596 | ||
| How To Control Probability [269 words] | Miguel Lahunken | Oct 5, 2016 10:07 | 41596 | ||
| strongly agree [53 words] | Robert | Mar 28, 2006 08:39 | 41592 |
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