Conrad: Denial of his German heritage

Submitted by Sword of Islam & The Babies of Beslan (United Kingdom), Apr 21, 2006 at 17:32

Submitted by conrad, Apr 19, 2006 at 12:16
History is currently being distorted by the millions of Christians who lie to have us believe that the Holocaust was not a Christian deed.

- Dangerous talk indeed from a German - especially given that after the last war you could count the number of Germans who actually admitted to supporting Hitler on the fingers of one hand. Of course you want to pass the blame. It's a national pastime. It is the fear that we could end up acting as inhumanely as the Germans that effectively hamstrings us in any attempt to rationally deal with issues of race or immigration as nobody wants to be stuck with the Nazi Germany label. Presumably the people at the numerous rallies that we see in wartime footage were bussed in from the Vatican. Perhaps it was a holy miracle which made the entire German people oblivious to the very existence of the concentration camp phenomenon? Who knows? But the fact of the matter is that all of the evils of Germany during this period had a "Made In Germany" stamp. Trying to dodge your nation's guilt by apportioning blame to a religious group isn't very sensible given that it was your persecution & extermination of a religious group that stands out like a beacon of horror when showing us how depraved humanity can be. The one fact that cannot be disputed is that a coalition of two Christian countries that stopped the German evil that threatened to envelope us all. ALL Germans were guilty to a greater or lesser extent. However, I am glad to note that they failed to convert your Opa to the evils of Catholicism despite the fact that they forced him to work for them. Presumably he suffered terribly in his resistance to this failed attempt at brainwashing.

The points that you make are weak at best. Hitler was an intelligent man. Could anybody, with the tiniest amount of intellect, possibly believe that he would be stupid enough to completely alienate the 70% of his population that were Christian by doing anything other than co-opt their beliefs? AND take on the rest of the world? The suggestion that he could possibly have acted in any other way and that the fact that his motivation for not doing so was based on Christian zeal is utterly bereft of any kind of intelligent thinking. So his mother and father were Catholic and had him christened. So what? I was christened many years ago. I haven't been to church for 20 years. Do I qualify as a Catholic? If I decide to invade Poland will my actions be motivated by Christian zeal? Do you understand that Christian & Catholic do not mean the same thing? Do you understand that the chasm between Catholicism & Protestantism is no smaller than that which exists betwen Catholicism & Judaism? Do you understand the concept that a child baptised into the Church does not mean the same thing as a being a practising Christian? How does one 'leave' the Church? Does one send them a letter of resignation? Do you have any examples of the specific persecution of Lutherans at the hands of this Catholic regime? You will presumably have little difficulty in providing such information as in my experience Catholics have no less time for Jewish people that they do for Protestants. Presumably the Protestant population of German occupied countries suffered an even greater level of extermination than the Jewish peoples at the hands of their Catholic oppressors. Presumably you can at least provide evidence to support the very basic premise that according to your theory, Hitler was an active churchgoer and attended at least once per week.

You claim that the Nazis 'converted the people'. Do you have any statistics that show a marked increase in the number of 'converts' during that period? Please provide them.

I also need an explaination of Hitler's quote 'One is either a German or a Christian' in 1933. I had previously thought that the meaning of this was obvious, ie the two words were mutually exclusive, as the world 'either' indicates this, but clearly you have an alternative definition.

This kind of ignorance is absolutely staggering!
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I suggest that you read the last quote that you cite as it effectively refutes everything else that you posted

Submitted by conrad, Apr 19, 2006 at 12:16
"He too would remain a member of the Catholic Church, he said, although he had no real attachment to it. "

SO WHAT IS YOUR POINT, EXACTLY? HAVE YOU EVEN READ YOUR QUOTES????

http://www.ppu.org.uk/learn/infodocs/nvww2/ww2_nonviolence_germany2.html

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