69 million page views

Why Germany really balks

Reader comment on item: [Appeasement Explains] Why Europe Balks

Submitted by Felix Distel (Germany), Feb 8, 2003 at 12:07

Dear Professor Pipes,

as a German citizen I do not agree with your thesis, that World War I appeasement policy is a cause for Europe's current position in the Iraq conflict. From my point of view there are much simpler reasons for German pacifism, which all have their roots in World War II. Although this pacifism is basically an emotional issue, Germans are also aware of several rational arguments against this specific war.


1. Roots of Germany's pacifist tenor

World War II is still present in German culture to a massive extent. Perhaps one of the hardest moments in a young Germans childhood, is when we ask our parents: >>Is it true, that we were the evil guys in "the War" [World War II]?<<. >>I'm afraid, we were.<< is always the answer. What follows then, is that our parents tell us about all the incredible cruelties and all the terror our people and even our own grandparents imposed on innocent human beings. This causes a feeling of guilt and shame, which even increases, as we learn more about our past. From these feelings arises the conclusion, that war or homicide shall never again be started by Germans or from German ground. That is why most Germans decline any military action, except defensive warfare.


2. Nonideological argument against this specific war

At present Sadam Hussein is the World's best monitored dictator. This must be credited to your country's efforts and we are deeply grateful for this. But because he is so well monitored, he doesn't pose an urgent threat to other countries in Middle East. At least none that would justify a war of aggression.

Of course we see that Iraq is in possession of weapons of mass destruction. We also take notice that human rights are being violated in Iraq. The point is that we doubt that these problems can be solved by military means. If the U.S. decide to start military attacks on Iraq, they will basically have three options:

Option 1: Air Strikes. This would obviously be utterly inefficient, as no one knows where the weapons are being kept. What's the use of an air strike, if you don't have any targets?

Option 2: Ground troops. If the U.N. inspectors, who at least receive little cooperation from Iraqi officials, cannot find any of the hidden weapons, how much longer would it take for soldiers, who would have to anticipate fierce resistance? Figures proof, that during the 1990s more weapons have been found and destroyed by U.N. inspectors, than have been destroyed in the War at the Persian Gulf.

Option 3: Massive terror and/or use of ABC weapons. No one could seriously consider this option. Afterwards the United States would have to take Iraq's then vacant place on the axis of evil.

To me none of these options seems to be desirable. I agree that the inspectors' progress is not at all satisfying. What we should do is improve cooperation between inspectors and secret services and - as hard as it may sound - be patient.


I am sure that on the other hand there are good, reasonable arguments for an attack. As a democrat, which you certainly are, you wouldn't agree to a war, unless your leaders have made a good case for it. Unforunately all our media shows us are war propaganda and simplistic polemics propagating a division of the world into good and evil. If we are presented convincing, rational arguments for a war, we will surely change our minds.


I hope that I could make our position a little clearer now. Maybe you could answer my post, so I will understand your point of view as well.

Yours sincerely
Felix Distel
Dislike
Submitting....

Note: Opinions expressed in comments are those of the authors alone and not necessarily those of Daniel Pipes. Original writing only, please. Comments are screened and in some cases edited before posting. Reasoned disagreement is welcome but not comments that are scurrilous, off-topic, commercial, disparaging religions, or otherwise inappropriate. For complete regulations, see the "Guidelines for Reader Comments".

Submit a comment on this item

<< Previous Comment      Next Comment >>

Reader comments (46) on this item

Title Commenter Date Thread
Appeasement [to Islamists] Doesn't Pay! [909 words]RobertFeb 17, 2008 18:20120427
Self-Determination and Stalin [297 words]GeorgeMar 11, 2004 14:0414172
Pax America in timespan of 100-150 years [225 words]René PoulsenJan 21, 2004 21:2113480
"Appeasement" [359 words]Alexander BoerMay 9, 2003 12:528974
One does not need to go that far ... [106 words]One Reader from EuropeFeb 20, 2003 00:546791
Europe is full of fears [160 words]Frank LukeFeb 17, 2003 17:276704
Why Germany really balks [124 words]Felix DistelFeb 8, 2003 12:076495
The Hitler of Our Time [131 words]Robert SydowFeb 4, 2003 15:516389
Grotesque over-simplification [135 words]David QuinFeb 4, 2003 04:086345
Excellent article & Hello World! [118 words]EurocitizenFeb 3, 2003 16:056333
comment to SC Panda.. [48 words]amiexpatFeb 3, 2003 07:346311
France&Germany [73 words]Cyril RohacFeb 2, 2003 22:266298
Compromise with Evil, it wins [49 words]Les JordanFeb 2, 2003 18:026285
Ah, but will Europe appease the US ? [34 words]W SeltzerJan 31, 2003 19:046210
3 Reasons [38 words]S.C.PandaJan 31, 2003 00:546159
Disturbingly accurate [478 words]RichardJan 30, 2003 10:256124
Learning from History [248 words]s.r.judahJan 30, 2003 09:196123
appeasement [188 words]tom hickieJan 30, 2003 09:106122
The French and the Islamic Bomb [219 words]Arlinda M. De AngelisJan 29, 2003 22:366117
Muslim minorities [30 words]Tom HewittJan 29, 2003 21:026114
appeasement [138 words]Mr.Daniel TobinJan 29, 2003 14:576107
Our European Friends [95 words]GeorgeJan 29, 2003 14:296104
Divide and rule [275 words]Gabriel GrossoJan 29, 2003 14:286103
Selective Memory [92 words]Shirley DobryJan 29, 2003 11:106098
Super power or Imperial Hegamon? [232 words]Glenn KlotzJan 29, 2003 09:556095
Why is Iraq a good place to start? [452 words]Calisse CansimeJan 29, 2003 09:486094
What about the Muslim factor. [14 words]Max FrancisJan 29, 2003 09:316092
America is not our Enemy [289 words]Gabriel GrossoJan 29, 2003 05:486090
WHY WAR!! [51 words]Johan EzrachJan 29, 2003 02:036084
War What's It Good For [41 words]Tom DundeeMar 13, 2010 21:456084
Psychology of Appeasement [226 words]Richard ReayJan 29, 2003 01:536083
Old Europe, "Submit to the PEACE of ISLAM" [145 words]Tim CoulterJan 29, 2003 01:046081
European "intellectual elite"? [747 words]David WolfJan 28, 2003 23:386079
The French and Germans [32 words]Bobby LoJan 28, 2003 20:496077
Europe is out of control [128 words]Thomas J. JacksonJan 28, 2003 20:256076
Axis of irrelevance [261 words]Jean MartinJan 28, 2003 18:546073
Pax Europa? [25 words]Don WoodJan 28, 2003 17:526071
Comprehensibility of Wars [152 words]Joseph SomselJan 28, 2003 15:166065
Old dreams, down but not out [146 words]Neil AbramsonJan 28, 2003 15:146064
Hitler Channel [48 words]Paul M. NevilleJan 28, 2003 14:386063
The French: Can You Trust Them? [102 words]Max MaloJan 28, 2003 14:096062
Diplomacy must have an endpoint [106 words]cookieJan 28, 2003 13:376061
Agreement [19 words]D.SokolJan 28, 2003 08:466035
Back to Thucydides [157 words]Kafka1302Jan 28, 2003 08:206033
Not all Europeans are appeasers [317 words]David RoseJan 28, 2003 07:516032
Amen! [32 words]Brennan SchweitzerJan 28, 2003 07:156030

Follow Daniel Pipes

Facebook   Twitter   RSS   Join Mailing List

All materials by Daniel Pipes on this site: © 1968-2024 Daniel Pipes. daniel.pipes@gmail.com and @DanielPipes

Support Daniel Pipes' work with a tax-deductible donation to the Middle East Forum.Daniel J. Pipes

(The MEF is a publicly supported, nonprofit organization under section 501(c)3 of the Internal Revenue Code.

Contributions are tax deductible to the full extent allowed by law. Tax-ID 23-774-9796, approved Apr. 27, 1998.

For more information, view our IRS letter of determination.)