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Islam and democracyReader comment on item: Debate: Islam and Democracy Submitted by Guy Leven-Torres (Agricola) (United Kingdom), May 30, 2007 at 15:02 When oh when will people realise that Islam is utterly incompatible with any form of democracy? The very religion itself is the problem and its Borg like hold on the psyches and mindsets of those that follow it. This very night a female convert to Christianity faces a prison sentence in Indonesia a 'SECULAR' country with a vast Moslem majority. The judge's ruling under Sharia law was that this woman could not convert to Christianity because it would undermine the main religion of the state, namely Islam. What kind of secularity is that then? As usual the Moslems speak with forked tongue, giving appearance or rather veneer to secularist agenda while pushing Islamism, and a national Islamism at that, despite the fact that Indonesia's constistution guarantees freedom of religious belief. Marxism also utilises group ethics and coercion to prevent defections. Both it and Islam are religions of fear: fear of truth and that is why Moslems are in such a mess around the world. They fear what they do not understand or what they dislike. Like Marxism they use violence and intimidation to get their way too. I used to naively believe that we could deal with Moslems, or at least the moderate ones but I have to say that my friend Ianus is correct and I now believe it is pointless! I even doubt in fact if there is such a thing as a 'moderate' Moslem. All display the same patronising condescension towards 'Peoples of The Book' and other faiths, treating them as infidel kaffirs, unclean vermin in fact. How the hell do you deal with arrogance like this? An illiterate 1300 years ago nicks stuff out of the Old Testament and the Torah and then sets up shop as a newly revealed 'faith' but goes one step further and says he is the last Prophet, that Jesus and Abraham were lesser prophets of Islam, denies the resurrection stating it was a trick and sets off to conquer the globe for Allah his mate in Heaven. he then declares the older religions, he copied wholesale as lesser revelations and perversions of the new 'truth' called islam and these then have to pay a tax to Mohammed and his chums called jizya. It is like somebody moving into my house while I am on holiday and taking my name and declaring me as the trespasser. I then am allowed back into my house as a tenant and charged rent. In short, I now realise it is impossible to deal with such arrogance and frankly lies. And one has to admit the Moslems have become very good at it over the centuries and we are still all falling for it! And we will probably go on doing so. There is only one thing Islam and its followers understand and that is strength, not appeasement. It is time to call their bluff and I for one will simply not stand by and allow my country or my children and their children to be handed over to this bunch of arrogant, racist, human hating Islamic 'Community'. Today my Living History Group Legio IX Hispana/SEFA was banned by a public authority I have worked for over many years. The Society www.legioixhispana.co.uk, is not even mine, as I am only a private member and employee. The cause is my website www.guyleven-torres.co.uk. The authority says it is Islamaphobic and racist: in otherwords the usual charges beloved of our wonderful enlightened Islam loving elite. These blighters are not even elected public officials but paid bureaucrats allowing their private political agendas to influence their supposed service to the public. Last month a national flag carrier tried to ban me from flying with them because I am 'a terrorist target'. A colleague of mine was also told, that unless he removed a comment recommending my books from the above website he woul be sacked. This is the craven atmosphere in Europe and it disgusts me and shames me as an Englishman. I am not alone I assure you. What can you do with such people that would rather a violent religion, rather than face up to it? The New Labour Government have done their very best to get the dopey, stupid British public to realise what is afoot. The stupid courts keep freeing Islamic terrorists under 'Human Rights' Law. I am no friend of New Labour but their recent attempts to extradite terrorists is quite right, as are demands for police powers to stop and search suspects. This 'Human Rights' rubbish has to stop. How can anybody have 'Human Rights' anyway? I do not understand how one man can give 'rights' to another. Such an act implies supriority of one over the other and according to 'Human Rights' philosophy that cannot be so, as all is deemed equal. Freedom to think and simply be alive is not a right but a state of nature and creation. How can life be a right? You either are alive or you are not. As usual the Left never think things through properly which proves what I have always said about them, in that they are thick. And what is worse than a bunch of morons that don't know it and even think they are more intelligent than anybody else? This is the same reason they cannot understand why Moslems are so dangerous to us and why they believe in appeasement, in the hope that the militants will be nice to them when they take over. The Swedish Prime Minister even stated this last year in a broadcast interview. The result of 'Human Rights' is to allow the Moslems to feel they can dominate us. The only Right that exists in those lands that they are trying to conquer, is the natural right to self defence and the protection of the natural right to freedom and democracy that goes with, or is implied with it. This is not so much a right as a duty upon all citizens within western democracy. A duty of care and protection to each other that is being denied by the Marxist lunatics running the show and making accusations against myself and others of 'islamaphobia' etc. Yes, I am Islamaphobic, and if that makes me 'racist' then I am that too! I have a duty to protect my country and to lay down my life if required. That is true democracy and the very antithesis of the 'philosophy' spouted by suicide bombings that murder and maim innocents. Such people simply do not understand democracy. They never have and never will, it is anathema to Islam. Their democracy, means subservience to Islam and harsh taxation, living as an underclass barely tolerated as little more than rodents, subject to the exactions of sharia law. As for Secukar Moslems and 'moderates' I have to say I am of the opinion that given the stories we now see like the woman convert above , there is no such thing but the usual double standard and Islamspeak.... Democracy in Islam...Forget it!
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