Muslim girls? Where does this come from?

Submitted by Angela Class (United States), Jun 11, 2007 at 20:56

As it so happens, I'm not a Muslim.

I am certainly not a "proselytizer" as Dhimmi calls me, for any religion, much less for Islam.

I am a person who is academically interested in this subject, because it affects the world I live in.

So I wouldn't be able to answer your bizarre, tangential questions about "Muslim girls". I can say none of the ones I know have ever stated the ambitions you describe, nor the men for that matter. Nor do they have any desire to return to that battle weary region for the sake of oppressing anyone.

Gee, you know what? Maybe all Muslims aren't the same!!! Think about it! Maybe they're human beings just like you and me. What a concept!

I would refer to the people you describe as "Islamists" which is said to differentiate people who are merely Muslim from fascists in Muslim clothing. There IS a big difference.

I assume that Muslim girls, like all other girls, have a variety of ambitions. I'll probably never know, and I don't think you do either.

But, I don't see what any of that has to do with the meaning of a word.

I never denied that "Islam" means "submission". In fact, I stated the same. I merely said that it is also traditionally considered to mean "peace", and gave an explanation for that. Which is to say that recent remarks made to that effect by a variety of people in defense of Islam as a religion, are not falsely stating that it means "peace" for the sake of a present political concern. It's true. Never be afraid of the truth, it is the truth that sets us free.

By the way, the "Masora" you refer to is Jewish, not Muslim. The Muslim equivalent would be the traditons of Qur'anic tafsir, or exegesis of the Qur'an. And it definitely does lend the definition of "peace" to "Islam".

If you don't believe me, ask a Sufi.

You claim such familiarity with this, but you don't even know what to call it. Have you really even studied this in any depth? Or do you just pick your information out of the gutter and hope for the best?

Neither does anything I have said mean that I condone any or every wrong ever done by anyone who is Muslim, or under the banner of the Prophet. It doesn't mean that in English, anyway. You don't seem to be following the discussion in any language.

It appears that you are both so emotional about this subject that you can't read clearly.

What you are doing is called called "black and white thinking", or a logical fallacy. "If they aren't for us, they're against us" leaves out a whole world of other possibilities. But certainly, it is politically expedient and has the cache of a clever sound bite.

Clearly, both you,"Ynnatchkah" and "Dhimmi No More" have a big axe to grind against Muslims, and the Arabic world coming into this discussion, and it clouds your reason to the point that you are incapable of having a rational discussion.

Certainly it's not in the best tradition of Jewish scholarship, not in this country, anyway.

Whatever your ancestors may have suffered, that doesn't justify your obvious racism here, which I find more than distasteful.

I encourage you to try and rise above it.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Never have, never will.

Sincerely, Angela

or as "Dhimmi" so graciously calls me in Arabic "The Mighty Philosopher"

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