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Our dear Angela Class really lost in translation part trois

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Jun 12, 2007 at 21:52

Our dear Angela wrote

>I said you point out instead of making rational comments relative to the issues bing discussed in many of your postings.I consider that tirvial and tangential

Wanna share with us why that is? Remember that your likes cannot tell us about islam unless your command of the arabic language and grammar is perfect, which it is not. So you tell us yafahlawiya how could, let us say, a muslim in this blog tell us something from the Qur'an when he cannot even read the Qur'an in Arabic and have to depend on poor and tendentious translations?

I suspect that they did teach you that you must read the sources in their pirmary language or shut up. I'm here to tell them that they do not know any Arabic, you included, and until they know their Arabic they must stop telling us about the religion of the Arabs. Is this too much to understand?

>Can you read English?

Can you read Arabic? Let me guess, you cannot. This is the issue here.

>You have said that Salam means peace

RIght.

>and from the construction S-L-M (sic)

No it is called root. And do you really know what is a root? And then you wrote the following gem

>The word islam also has a quite obvious S-L-M construction (sic) for those of us who recogize letters.

So what is your point?

>The close relationship in word construction (sic) is used to to create what they consider a meaningful relgious metaphor

That the word islam also means peace? You are kidding me!

OK so an infidel is also a village. Right? Those like you that do not know any Arabic find it very difficult to understand the Arabic language root system and that once you have different stems the words will have nothing in common and the fact that the words Islam and salam come from the same root does not mean much as thay do not come from the same stem. Now do you get it?

>This isn.t rocket science

Yes madam it is not. It is called garmmar of a language that you do not know.

>And i didn't make it up

So provide us with references from kutub al-nahw al-3arabi or from al-ma3ajim or the Muslim masora. Tendentious muslim web sites and wikipedia will not be regarded as evidence. I will be waiting

>It's widely accepted translation among EDUCATED Muslims

Madam many educated Muslims do not know any Arabic and even many educated Arabs do not have good command of the Arabic grammar. Shocking but true. And if you tell an Arab that the word islam also means peace he/she will think that you are really a funny woman but they will be too polite to correct you

>And apparently my Arabic is as good as your English

Dream on madam and do you know why? Because the issue here is about Arabic, a language that you do not know.

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2This argument never dies [91 words]PrashantNov 6, 2014 06:03215814
Islam has never and will never mean peace. It means kill the other guy. [42 words]Ames TiedemanSep 13, 2007 16:14108786
in response to Ames Tiedman [61 words]LoopsOct 2, 2007 08:12108786
Hello Daniel [190 words]Abdul SalaamJun 23, 2008 13:58108786
To Mr. Ben Loops [76 words]Ames TiedemanJun 24, 2008 17:53108786
Mr. Salaam: [115 words]Ames TiedemanJun 24, 2008 17:59108786
Ref: Abdul Salaam [49 words]PAULJan 13, 2009 23:26108786
Hello Ames [542 words]Abdul SalaamJan 24, 2009 16:07108786
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Peace through submission to Allah? [48 words]Linda HaslamJun 22, 2007 11:5599678
In response to Peace and Submission [151 words]the WoodMar 5, 2008 11:2599678
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2For the readers of the thread: The words islam and salam revisited [146 words]dhimmi no moreJun 16, 2007 13:0698594
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2Thank you Ynna but! [64 words]dhimmi no moreJun 17, 2007 20:5298594
My Dear Ynnatchka [450 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 18, 2007 00:0098594
2But I like my screen name [72 words]dhimmi no moreJun 18, 2007 19:1798594
DHIMMI WILL YOU LISTEN FOR ONCE? [205 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 19, 2007 20:5998594
3Mafish Maschara Seamus MacNemi [68 words]SophieJun 21, 2007 17:4698594
3Our dear Seamus and logic [60 words]dhimmi no moreJun 21, 2007 20:0898594
2You still did not answer my question [66 words]dhimmi no moreJun 21, 2007 20:1298594
My dear Sophie [266 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 22, 2007 04:1498594
2Our dear seamus [74 words]dhimmi no moreJun 22, 2007 06:4598594
2Whishful Thinking Khawaja Seamus [98 words]SophieJun 22, 2007 22:3698594
Dhimm The Torah Does Not Say Anything About Being "Created". The Word Is Made Manifest. [66 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 23, 2007 01:2298594
1Islam means NOTHING to me and neither does ALLAH I do not speak Arabic I speak HEBREW [473 words]Saemus MacNemiJun 23, 2007 05:0798594
I'll try to explain it to you one more time [637 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 23, 2007 14:0598594
Sophia means Wisdom---NOT in this case [188 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 23, 2007 17:5898594
2Listen we are both infidels, at least this is what Angela believes [310 words]dhimmi no moreJun 23, 2007 18:4598594
Armageddon Comimg Soon To A Theater Near You. [603 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 24, 2007 04:1798594
1So is it creation or is it Zuhuur? That is the question! [166 words]dhimmi no moreJun 24, 2007 08:0798594
1Peace and our dear Angela [190 words]dhimmi no moreJun 24, 2007 08:2198594
Thank you, Seamus [163 words]Angela ClassJun 24, 2007 12:5198594
2Our dear Angela and more fantasy [131 words]dhimmi no moreJun 24, 2007 16:4998594
2ROTFL Marvin Minsky and the Arabic language and our dear Angela [77 words]dhimmi no moreJun 24, 2007 17:1698594
2Seamus and his drama [91 words]dhimmi no moreJun 24, 2007 17:2898594
A Child Sees With Childish Eyes [255 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 24, 2007 20:2998594
Exposed? Who is really exposed here? [101 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 24, 2007 20:4998594
Back To Lady Angela [229 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 24, 2007 21:1998594
1But the word islam means [78 words]dhimmi no moreJun 25, 2007 06:4398594
1Our dear Angela and pontificating about our dear Seamus' funny Arabic [201 words]dhimmi no moreJun 25, 2007 07:0698594
1Our dear Seamus but our dear Angela regards you as an infidel and what are you going to do about it? [61 words]dhimmi no moreJun 25, 2007 18:1398594
1I read this as: you have no answer [73 words]dihmmi no moreJun 25, 2007 18:3498594
How Many Muslims Really Understand Arabic? [445 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 25, 2007 20:1198594
Translation of Quais, Mafish Maskhara, Majnun [16 words]SophieJun 26, 2007 03:5998594
1Our dear Seamus and his damsel in distress and the word Islam and the Hellenes [604 words]dhimmi no moreJun 26, 2007 07:3998594
Dhimmi god Demagogue [290 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 26, 2007 23:5198594
Quit beating your dead horse [127 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 27, 2007 00:2898594
Alright lets have a real go at this point by point [373 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 27, 2007 12:0398594
It's gotten awfully quiet around here [27 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 28, 2007 09:4998594
1Do you really know what is a dhimmi? [6 words]dihmmi no moreJun 28, 2007 17:3798594
1Hi Sophie [83 words]dhimmi no moreJun 28, 2007 18:0398594
1And? So now it is about your ego! I see [48 words]dhimmi no moreJun 28, 2007 18:2298594
What is a "Dhimmi" [222 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 28, 2007 19:0298594
Hi Sophie and the word is Kuwayis and not Quais as our dear Seamus wrote [31 words]dhimmi no moreJun 28, 2007 20:0198594
I just thought of something [419 words]Saenus MacNemiJun 29, 2007 03:4998594
Our dear Seamus and beating a dead horse [316 words]dhimmi no moreJun 29, 2007 06:4898594
Quais-Kuais??? Hey, I don't read Arabic [101 words]Seamusn MacNemiJun 29, 2007 17:3898594
What else does Islam "NOT" mean?? [591 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 30, 2007 01:3698594
1The word Dhimmi and our dear Seamus [63 words]dhimmi no moreJun 30, 2007 06:1198594
Well said but this is not what Islamists have in mind [145 words]dhimmi no moreJun 30, 2007 06:3698594
I SAID THAT I DO NOT KNOW THE PRECISE MEANING OF DHIMMI [120 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 30, 2007 19:3398594
YOU STILL HAVEN'T TOLD WHAT ELSE ISLAM DOES 'NOT' MEAN. [114 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 30, 2007 19:5398594
You mean the word islam? [69 words]dhimmi no moreJul 1, 2007 17:1098594
Is it really important what the Islamists have in mind? [431 words]Seamus MacNemiJul 2, 2007 02:1398594
Peace [35 words]sabermanJun 14, 2007 08:5698233
Hermeneutics and intepretation, something for those without in advanced studies? [59 words]MariaJun 13, 2007 12:2098041
Brava Maria! [22 words]Angela ClassJun 13, 2007 20:2098041
FYI-Re:Hermeneutics and Orientalism [318 words]Angela ClassJun 13, 2007 23:0598041
It is called a language that Angela does not know! [192 words]dhimmi no moreJun 14, 2007 07:2798041
ROTFL and big time falsafa our dear Angela and hermeneutics and orientalism and other sordid matters [67 words]dhimmi no moreJun 14, 2007 22:0098041
inquisition [14 words]bosFeb 18, 2008 16:3298041
Islam does equal peace [46 words]FundamentalistJun 12, 2007 23:3697890
People of the Book [813 words]Angela ClassJun 13, 2007 22:0297890
Islam = War even among Muslims [34 words]Oscar NavarroJun 14, 2007 09:1597890
Islam [120 words]donvanJun 14, 2007 15:1997890
1Our dear Anglea needs to get her money back from her madrassa [312 words]dhimmi no moreJun 14, 2007 20:3497890
NON SENSE.. [82 words]DONVANJun 15, 2007 11:5597890
what islam really means [7 words]hayaJun 12, 2007 20:5597878
Allah not God [41 words]Oscar NavarroJun 14, 2007 09:2197878
Not The Same God [57 words]AnneMJun 14, 2007 23:1997878
Trading one tyranny for another? [867 words]Angela ClassJun 12, 2007 18:3097845
Amen To You Ms. Angela Class [324 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 15, 2007 22:5097845
four wives ... [98 words]OliverJun 19, 2007 22:5197845
don't you dare say anything about muhammad [85 words]rehnaJan 22, 2008 19:2897845
respect [123 words]bosFeb 18, 2008 16:5197845
Yes, there are good and bad people in every group [393 words]Angela ClassJun 11, 2007 17:3097702
Jesus was not a prophet at least this is what the Qur'an really says [44 words]dihmmi no moreJun 11, 2007 20:4297702
Kindergarten knowledge and Muhammad came to teach us peace! Really? [80 words]dhimmi no moreJun 11, 2007 21:0897702
"The Qur'an does not teach that Jesus is God, but only a Prophet." [529 words]Angela ClassJun 12, 2007 19:3497702
Agree with you up to a point [101 words]Oscar NavarroJun 13, 2007 00:0897702
But the Qur'an really says that jesus is God [90 words]dhimmi no moreJun 13, 2007 19:4597702
Big Sufi Falsafa, celestial teas and our dear Angela [710 words]dhimmi no moreJun 14, 2007 07:0197702
Smell Test: Angela Class [100 words]MikeJun 15, 2007 03:0697702
where does it say so? [146 words]Lactantius Jr.Jun 18, 2007 07:2397702
The Qur'an really says that Jesus is God [27 words]dhimmi no moreJun 18, 2007 19:0397702
jesus is a prophet [33 words]rehnaJan 22, 2008 19:3397702
So Islam really means peace? really? [107 words]dhimmi no moreJun 10, 2007 14:0397327
You're so busy being silly, you still haven't refuted my argument [641 words]Angela ClassJun 10, 2007 20:4397327
Angela Class and Al Taqyia- TO Dhimmi no More [228 words]YnnatchkahJun 11, 2007 03:2097327
Hypocrisy and Deceit??? [111 words]JaladhiJun 11, 2007 14:4197327
No, bogus again [141 words]dihmmi no moreJun 11, 2007 18:3497327
Oh I forgot: Refute what? [200 words]dhimmi no moreJun 11, 2007 18:5197327
For Ynnatchkah and our dear Angela [82 words]dhimmi no moreJun 11, 2007 19:0397327
Muslim girls? Where does this come from? [583 words]Angela ClassJun 11, 2007 20:5697327
Now pay attention, Dhimmi, or don't keep bothering me [305 words]Angela ClassJun 11, 2007 22:1797327
Islam = Submission [220 words]Oscar NavarroJun 12, 2007 01:1297327
The word Islam revisited [301 words]dihmmi no moreJun 12, 2007 07:4297327
Islam means surrender [45 words]SophieJun 12, 2007 09:0697327
Fundamentalists of the World Unite! [269 words]Angela ClassJun 12, 2007 19:0797327
Rumi's Islam [180 words]Angela ClassJun 12, 2007 19:5197327
Our dear Angela: If you cannot stand the heat! oh well you know the rest [123 words]dhimmi no moreJun 12, 2007 20:2797327
One word Bogus [69 words]dhimmi no moreJun 12, 2007 20:3797327
I must disagree [258 words]dhimmi no moreJun 12, 2007 20:5597327
Angela does not get it [39 words]dhimmi no moreJun 13, 2007 06:5597327
Just amazing [340 words]dhimmi no moreJun 13, 2007 07:2797327
Absurd indeed [134 words]donvanJun 13, 2007 09:0397327
Now it is symbolism [55 words]dhimmi no moreJun 13, 2007 19:2697327
More bogus falsafa by no other [30 words]dhimmi no moreJun 13, 2007 19:2897327
And so is Christianity and so is Hinduism [42 words]dhimmi no moreJun 13, 2007 19:3797327
What I can't stand is the Hot Air [531 words]Angela ClassJun 13, 2007 20:1797327
Shalom having several meanings [137 words]RonanJun 13, 2007 22:5097327
TO Dhimmi No More: Follow up about Angela Class subject [228 words]YnnatchkahJun 14, 2007 12:4497327
I read this as! [54 words]dhimmi no moreJun 14, 2007 18:4797327
Shalom/Salam Ronan [111 words]dhimmi no moreJun 14, 2007 22:2297327
The word salam has other meanings? you must be kidding [32 words]dhimmi no moreJun 14, 2007 22:2597327
2Good things come in small packages [212 words]SophieJun 15, 2007 01:1397327
1to Angela Class and loving arab religion [197 words]ASJun 16, 2007 02:3997327
2Well said Sophie [19 words]dhimmi no moreJun 16, 2007 07:3497327
1Another gem from none other than our dear Angela [121 words]dhimmi no moreJun 16, 2007 13:3997327
1Slight correction [10 words]dhimmi no moreJun 17, 2007 18:1297327
You can't make a silk purse out of a ... [59 words]OliverJun 19, 2007 23:4697327
1actions speak louder than words [175 words]Phil GreendJun 3, 2007 19:4095919
"Lost in Translation" [389 words]Angela ClassMay 29, 2007 21:2995182
1Our dear Angela Class really lost in translation [140 words]dhimmi no moreJun 10, 2007 12:4595182
How about if we try sticking to the topic? [627 words]Angela ClassJun 10, 2007 19:2895182
1"Submission" (to ISLAM) [97 words]DONVANJun 11, 2007 11:1395182
1Our dear Angela Class really lost in translation again and again [38 words]dhimmi no moreJun 11, 2007 18:2795182
2What topic? [103 words]dihmmi no moreJun 11, 2007 19:4495182
Submission to God, not some petty tyrants [195 words]Angela ClassJun 11, 2007 21:2295182
Yeah, I'm not surprised you have to ask that question... [191 words]Angela ClassJun 11, 2007 21:4995182
It matters little... [173 words]donvanJun 12, 2007 15:5795182
1Bogus again [57 words]dhimmi no moreJun 12, 2007 20:1995182
1SLM is called a root not a construction [144 words]dhimmi no moreJun 12, 2007 21:0795182
1Our dear Angela Class really lost in translation part trois [494 words]dhimmi no moreJun 12, 2007 21:5295182
Dhimmi, I give up, I can't overpower your ignorance with logic and I won't try anymore. [161 words]Angela ClassJun 13, 2007 19:0195182
If it were about grammar then your English would disqualify you from speaking here.. [136 words]Angela ClassJun 13, 2007 20:4495182
Note for our ESL readers [47 words]Angela ClassJun 13, 2007 22:1795182
1The issue is here the Arabic language madam [27 words]dhimmi no moreJun 14, 2007 18:4395182
1Our dear Anglela lost in nahw wa qawa3id [88 words]dhimmi no moreJun 14, 2007 18:5695182
2Too late: It is called the root and the stems from the root and not construction. Oh the ego thing again [95 words]dihmmi no moreJun 14, 2007 19:0695182
1Our dear Anglela [143 words]dihmmi no moreJun 14, 2007 19:2595182
1More evidence that our dear Anglela does not know any Arabic or logic and has a big ego [256 words]dhimmi no moreJun 14, 2007 19:5595182
1Our dear Angela's original gems revisited [515 words]dhimmi no moreJun 15, 2007 07:1095182
To The Lady Angela Class [271 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 16, 2007 00:4095182
Note To Dhimmi No More [189 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 16, 2007 01:0695182
2al-Imam al-ghayib aka our dear Angela [177 words]dhimmi no moreJun 16, 2007 13:5795182
1Note to Seamus MacNemi [169 words]MikeJun 16, 2007 16:3795182
re: To The Lady Angela Class [380 words]MikeJun 16, 2007 20:5795182
1Our dear Seamus and Mecca [102 words]dhimmi no moreJun 17, 2007 07:2395182
Again to Dhimmi no more- Language is what we make of it. [542 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 17, 2007 10:2895182
1Our dear Seamus ... [40 words]dhimmi no moreJun 17, 2007 17:3895182
Well Mikey Boy [265 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 17, 2007 20:0995182
Back to Dhimmi No More [371 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 17, 2007 20:5095182
2AGAIN TO SEAMUS !!!!!!!!!!!! [221 words]MikeJun 17, 2007 21:0195182
Back to Mr Mike. [327 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 17, 2007 21:3095182
Again to Mike and Dhimmi No More [258 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 18, 2007 00:5995182
The Serpents Subtle Tongue To Mike [292 words]Saemus MacNemiJun 18, 2007 18:3995182
1Whatever [34 words]dhimmi no moreJun 18, 2007 19:0895182
Back to Dhimmi No More [381 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 19, 2007 20:1095182
2Yes they are! [145 words]dihmmi no moreJun 20, 2007 07:5195182
1Whatever again and again [16 words]dhimmi no moreJun 20, 2007 19:4595182
1Ouch ... that hurts ... [245 words]OwenJun 20, 2007 21:4295182
2Speaking of being a majnun and "understand what"? [144 words]dhimmi no moreJun 21, 2007 07:0095182
Dear Dhimmi [605 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 22, 2007 03:3695182
In Reply to Owen [65 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 22, 2007 04:2395182

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