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One Palestine - from the river to the sea
Reader comment on item: Two Palestines, Anyone?
Submitted by Pat (United States), Jun 19, 2007 at 10:42
Israel's withdrawal from Gaza in mid-2005 deprived Gaza of its one stabilizing element.
Who in Palestine wants peaceful co-existence with Israel?
When Israel occupied Gaza with settlements it was pointed to as the cause for Paletinian violence. When Israel left Gaza - lock, stock and barrel - its decades-long occupation of Gaza was pointed to as the cause for Palestinian violence. It was as if Israeli occupation had done egregious damage to the Palestinian psyche which could never be undone. Not even the establishment of a separate Palestinian state can heal the wound. Some Gazans are said to be secretly hoping Israel will return. Why? So that they can point to it once again as an excuse for their own failures.
Now President Bush has decided to release economic aid that has been blocked since the Hamas-led government refused to recognize Israel. (Contrary to popular myth, this aid was not blocked because the people voted for Hamas. It was blocked when Hamas refused to accept its responsibility as the governing body of Palestine.) Whom is this going to help except Hamas?
Bolstering Abbas and Fatah is really a case of picking the least worst terrorist with whom to work. It's misguided and it's shortsighted. Fatah is no less committed to the end of Israel than Hamas. How is Israel supposed to negotiate with a government that seeks its destruction?
Fouad Ajami points out that Fatah and Hamas are pretty much two sides of the same coin. One is secular, the other Islamist, and there the differences end. Neither renounces violence. Neither recognizes Israel. Neither is interested in a Palestinian state that does not stretch "from the river to the sea".
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| Correction: 3 Palestines: [26 words] | M E | Aug 18, 2007 19:16 | 106493 | ||
| Palestinian Shell Game [245 words] | Debbie | Jul 17, 2007 16:26 | 103866 | ||
| Poor Mickey Mouse [78 words] | Blackspeare | Jul 5, 2007 20:42 | 103056 | ||
| Islamist Mental Disability [185 words] | Ynnatchkah | Jul 3, 2007 02:44 | 102497 | ||
 Good [2 words] | Joe | Aug 16, 2013 10:02 | 102497 | ||
| Gaza, the new Sudetenland redux [74 words] | Jorgen Goderstad | Jun 27, 2007 12:37 | 101773 | ||
| Gaza Strip-tease [136 words] | Thomas Justin Kaze | Jun 26, 2007 02:11 | 101313 | ||
| both hamas and fatah wish to see Israel destroyed [121 words] | Phil Greend | Jun 25, 2007 21:26 | 101164 | ||
| Shut down the "Mosques.! [40 words] | Tony Dines | Jul 25, 2007 20:16 | 101164 | ||
| Poll Shows Palestinians want Israel "occupying" Gaza Again. [447 words] | Ynnatchkah | Jun 25, 2007 02:44 | 100990 | ||
| I really have to laugh [74 words] | Seamus MacNemi | Jul 2, 2007 02:47 | 100990 | ||
| You are right, Seamus MacNemi [37 words] | Ynnatchkah | Jul 2, 2007 21:36 | 100990 | ||
| Atificial state [245 words] | Dallas | Jun 24, 2007 23:14 | 100984 | ||
| Great summary [64 words] | Salomon Benzimra | Jun 23, 2007 23:05 | 100586 | ||
| Fantasy land [121 words] | arthur | Jun 22, 2007 15:04 | 100387 | ||
| Strange Bedfellows II [103 words] | Blackspeare | Jun 22, 2007 10:01 | 100360 | ||
| Strange Bedfellows? [82 words] | Blackspeare | Jun 21, 2007 08:58 | 100038 | ||
| Two Palestines, Anyone? [57 words] | S.C.Panda | Jun 21, 2007 05:33 | 99917 | ||
| Two Palestines, Anyone? [826 words] | Ed Melik, Esq. | Jun 23, 2007 01:15 | 99917 | ||
| Pipes points were vindicated [255 words] | Amitabh Tripathi | Jun 21, 2007 03:53 | 99909 | ||
| Two Palestines, Anyone? [3898 words] | Ed Melik, Esq. | Jun 21, 2007 03:14 | 99906 | ||
| Palestinians are Sowing what they Reaped [273 words] | Mel Laraway | Jun 23, 2007 15:29 | 99906 | ||
| Dear Ed Melik, Esq., why did you leave out Egypt from this puzzle? [307 words] | Moshe | Jun 24, 2007 04:43 | 99906 | ||
| Ed Melik's rewrites history [703 words] | Infidel | Jun 24, 2007 15:05 | 99906 | ||
| Palestinians are reaping what they sowed [153 words] | Moshe | Jun 24, 2007 15:18 | 99906 | ||
| perpetual refugees.. [72 words] | donvan | Jun 25, 2007 11:34 | 99906 | ||
| No more blame game, enough with the violence [523 words] | Bryan Jackson | Jun 26, 2007 21:56 | 99906 | ||
| Two Palestines, anyone? [614 words] | Ed Melik, Esq. | Jul 1, 2007 14:50 | 99906 | ||
| That's quite a schpiel Mr. Malik [180 words] | Seamus MacNemi | Jul 2, 2007 03:59 | 99906 | ||
| Hamas & Fatah; Confusing the European Elite [90 words] | David P. | Jun 20, 2007 23:51 | 99864 | ||
| Actually, that would be three "Palestines" now [6 words] | Dan | Jun 20, 2007 14:11 | 99675 | ||
| Actually, it is four Palestinian States [175 words] | Yuval Brandstetter MD | Jun 20, 2007 16:02 | 99675 | ||
| Yuval, please don't try to scare us. [261 words] | Moshe | Jun 25, 2007 15:22 | 99675 | ||
| Baruch haShem, eh Moishe? [17 words] | Seamus MacNemi | Jul 2, 2007 04:27 | 99675 | ||
| Nobody wants a Palestinian State in the Middle East--except George Bush [702 words] | Martin Kessler | Jun 20, 2007 11:57 | 99667 | ||
| Here We Go Again [125 words] | Blackspeare | Jun 20, 2007 11:32 | 99665 | ||
| 1 | poor Israeli Jews will be sandwiched between Islamic Jehad , Muslim Fatah and Jehadi Hamas ! [97 words] | Concerns | Jun 20, 2007 09:50 | 99646 | |
| Hamas, Fata, Islami Jihad, Hezbolla - All jumping and screaming because they are not afraid of Israel [147 words] | James Burke | Jun 20, 2007 20:35 | 99646 | ||
| ok right... [70 words] | Hamri Al-Assad | Jun 21, 2007 21:58 | 99646 | ||
| Why are you jealous of Israel Money and Resources [44 words] | Hiroo | Jun 23, 2007 06:39 | 99646 | ||
| Send Jimmy [85 words] | LDC | Jun 20, 2007 08:10 | 99634 | ||
| Would Mr Pipes or readers help me clarify these questions? Thank you! [265 words] | Tammy | Jun 20, 2007 02:29 | 99612 | ||
| 'Palestinian Roulette' - Opinion for Tammy - Who's on First. [597 words] | M. Tovey | Jun 20, 2007 16:36 | 99612 | ||
| Tammy - a few thoughts [562 words] | Pat | Jun 20, 2007 16:56 | 99612 | ||
| Tammy's Questions [264 words] | LDC | Jun 20, 2007 17:15 | 99612 | ||
| To LDC [237 words] | Tammy | Jun 22, 2007 04:08 | 99612 | ||
| To Pat. [317 words] | Tammy | Jun 22, 2007 04:33 | 99612 | ||
| To M. Tovey [262 words] | Tammy | Jun 22, 2007 04:42 | 99612 | ||
| Sick of war but have no other choice than to fight and hopefufly to finish the job this time [163 words] | Seamus MacNemi | Jul 2, 2007 21:57 | 99612 | ||
| To Seamus MacNemi [135 words] | Tammy | Jul 22, 2007 12:26 | 99612 | ||
| Fatah and Hamas: Flip Sides of Same Arab Imperialism and Genocidalism [585 words] | G. Marcus | Jun 19, 2007 23:27 | 99602 | ||
| Gardens in the desert - I think not [226 words] | David W. Lincoln | Jun 19, 2007 23:06 | 99597 | ||
| ONLY SOLUTION: GAZA TO EGYPT; WEST BANK PARTITIONED WITH JORDAN [232 words] | MG | Jun 19, 2007 21:40 | 99581 | ||
| Idiots in The US Executive Branch [58 words] | Ralph C Whaley MD | Jun 19, 2007 20:03 | 99567 | ||
| Yes and No [290 words] | john w mcginley | Jun 19, 2007 18:12 | 99553 | ||
| two palestines? [120 words] | ralph shapiro | Jun 19, 2007 17:18 | 99550 | ||
| Shades Of Noam Chomsky [112 words] | Seamus MacNemi | Jul 2, 2007 22:30 | 99550 | ||
| Abbas/Hamas=peace/schmeece [134 words] | Michele Solomon Fryncko | Jun 19, 2007 16:11 | 99539 | ||
| Tactics, anyone? [138 words] | Jascha Kessler | Jun 19, 2007 16:10 | 99538 | ||
| Cutting off water and electricity = bad idea [124 words] | Chris G. | Jun 21, 2007 14:17 | 99538 | ||
| A LIBERAL RESPONDS!!!! The Danger of Generalizing Fatah and Hamas [1115 words] | Chris G. | Jun 19, 2007 15:54 | 99535 | ||
| No U turns. [77 words] | MW | Jun 21, 2007 10:56 | 99535 | ||
| to Chris G, the researcher and social scientist, and oh! the liberal [117 words] | AS | Jun 25, 2007 02:40 | 99535 | ||
| A LIBERAL RESPONDS TO MR. AS- Emotional responses are not logical, nor productive in problem solving. [1598 words] | Chris G. | Jun 26, 2007 01:38 | 99535 | ||
| to Chris G [650 words] | AS | Jun 27, 2007 01:58 | 99535 | ||
| SIR, I have thoroughly enjoyed your presentation here. [134 words] | Seamus MacNemi | Jul 2, 2007 23:38 | 99535 | ||
| The Folly of Supporting Fatah and Abbas [35 words] | Martin E. Weinstein | Jun 19, 2007 15:52 | 99534 | ||
| Two 'Palestines?' Not Likely! [545 words] | M. Tovey | Jun 19, 2007 15:41 | 99533 | ||
| 2 Palestines, anyone [115 words] | Steven L | Jun 19, 2007 15:38 | 99532 | ||
| Why is Israel doing what it is doing? [82 words] | freeman | Jun 19, 2007 14:30 | 99520 | ||
| freeman, Israel is defending themselves [108 words] | Infidel | Jun 19, 2007 15:09 | 99520 | ||
| How to differentiate between a Moderate Terrorist and Militant Terrorist ?? Any suggestion / explanation Mr.Pipes ? [165 words] | Thokar | Jun 20, 2007 09:41 | 99520 | ||
| Sometimes doing nothing helps [98 words] | freeman | Jun 20, 2007 21:42 | 99520 | ||
| idiot savant [167 words] | jan lapter | Jun 19, 2007 14:13 | 99515 | ||
| Hamas Putsch Indeed Irrelevant [276 words] | Lonely in Kabul | Jun 19, 2007 14:05 | 99514 | ||
| Fatah and Hamas [109 words] | Donald W. Bales | Jun 19, 2007 14:02 | 99512 | ||
| Israelis: Infested with Suicidal LIberalism [277 words] | James Burke | Jun 20, 2007 08:07 | 99512 | ||
| A Blast of Fresh Air - How to Build on It? [800 words] | Ron Thompson | Jun 19, 2007 13:45 | 99510 | ||
| HAMAS gunmen [85 words] | Erkhum Mustafa | Jun 19, 2007 13:07 | 99505 | ||
| Agreed [216 words] | david | Jun 19, 2007 12:55 | 99504 | ||
| Terrorists in the pay of? [85 words] | pigfoot | Jun 19, 2007 12:32 | 99503 | ||
| Two Palestinians [211 words] | Ernie Lofthouse | Jun 19, 2007 12:26 | 99502 | ||
| The difference between Hamas and Fatah - in feet [173 words] | Mladen Andrijasevic | Jun 19, 2007 14:30 | 99502 | ||
| Penalty [51 words] | true believer | Jun 20, 2007 04:17 | 99502 | ||
| Fatah: 'We will continue to strike any place, targeting their children as well..' [394 words] | Niagara | Dec 26, 2021 19:41 | 99502 | ||
| Not a bad assessment Dr, Pipes, but one thing I have to point out [153 words] | Bryan Jackson | Jun 19, 2007 11:15 | 99496 | ||
| Two or Twenty Palestines [76 words] | Ernie | Jun 19, 2007 10:49 | 99495 | ||
| Moderates Malaysians and Islamists Talibaan united in chanting " Destroy Britain " [387 words] | Pancho | Jun 20, 2007 09:44 | 99495 | ||
 One Palestine - from the river to the sea [280 words] | Pat | Jun 19, 2007 10:42 | 99492 | ||
| Two Palestines Anyone [17 words] | Steve Gure | Jun 19, 2007 10:38 | 99490 | ||
| WHAT ABOUT 2 ISRAELI STATES? [103 words] | LEO | Jun 19, 2007 10:23 | 99363 | ||
| Both deadly to Israel's cause [39 words] | John Morris | Jun 19, 2007 10:19 | 99361 | ||
| Question for all US Presidents and YOU! [44 words] | W Walker | Jun 19, 2007 09:32 | 99359 | ||
| People only understand when their close member loses his life in Islamist Terror Attack [39 words] | Baioirus | Jun 20, 2007 09:56 | 99359 | ||
| two factions [196 words] | true believer | Jun 19, 2007 09:21 | 99357 | ||
| Where do all those M16's come from [44 words] | Steven Hess | Jun 19, 2007 09:16 | 99355 | ||
| Double standards will only make US weaker ! [20 words] | Nick | Jun 20, 2007 10:00 | 99355 | ||
| Age [132 words] | MartyrMaker | Jun 19, 2007 09:12 | 99354 | ||
| Reply to Martyr Maker [13 words] | Seamus MacNemi | Jul 3, 2007 21:12 | 99354 | ||
| one Palestine [48 words] | samy | Jun 19, 2007 07:56 | 99349 |
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