Re: Misdirected comments

Submitted by Nura (United States), Oct 16, 2008 at 19:00

Only in the misdirected observations of what has been written in the previous post do we see that the previous person has/had no clue about what is inevitably coming.

I can assure you, I know more of what is coming than you. See our Prophet (PBUH) has prophesied things that Jesus never told his followers. We know how the events will unfold as it is unfolding as we speak. You know nothing of what I know.

First, this reader did not make any observation about Acre as a specific provocation to coming events. That Acre is a hotbed of religous fervor is unmstakable, yet it is not going to be the sole reason for Biblical expectations.

Acre is nothing compared to the massacres of Deir Yassin to name just one event. Do you think that we are seeing the worst of it? That small event only displays who are the real extremists and oppressors nothing more. My reason to comment it on it was the result of YOUR affixation of the event as being a proof that the young Arab-Israeli provoked the beating he got for driving his car during a Jewish holiday. A gross misrepresentation of the truth. There will be many reasons for the manifestation of the prophecies. One is the U.S, support to Israel.

Next, this reader has never specifically identifed any individual as the man of sin as specfified in Daniel, nor in any other part of the Bible, as you try to allude that Yeshua HaMashiach does. Even though He knows who it is, He did not.

If I understand you correctly, you are implying the Jesus, the messenger of God, son of God for you, did warn his followers of the marks? Who are the Sheppard's?

Jeremiah 23:5

1 "Woe to the shepherds who are destroying and scattering the sheep of my pasture!" declares the LORD. 2 Therefore this is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says to the shepherds who tend my people: "Because you have scattered my flock and driven them away and have not bestowed care on them, I will bestow punishment on you for the evil you have done," declares the LORD. 3 "I myself will gather the remnant of my flock out of all the countries where I have driven them and will bring them back to their pasture, where they will be fruitful and increase in number. 4 I will place shepherds over them who will tend them, and they will no longer be afraid or terrified, nor will any be missing," declares the LORD.

5 "The days are coming," declares the LORD,
"when I will raise up to David ^[a] a righteous Branch,
a King who will reign wisely
and do what is just and right in the land.

6 In his days Judah will be saved
and Israel will live in safety.
This is the name by which he will be called:
The LORD Our Righteousness.

This prophecy has already been fulfilled with David. It is established here like in many other places that the leaders of the Israelites were referred to as shepherds.

Ezekiel

"Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel. Prophesy to these shepherds. Tell them, 'This is what the Almighty LORD says: How horrible it will be for the shepherds of Israel who have been taking care of only themselves. Shouldn't shepherds take care of the sheep?

You eat the best parts of the sheep, dress in the wool, and butcher the finest sheep. Yet, you don't take care of the sheep.

You have not strengthened those that were weak, healed those that were sick, or bandaged those that were injured. You have not brought back those that strayed away or looked for those that were lost. You have ruled them harshly and violently (Status Quo)

So on and so forth. The basic theme is that there were BAD shepherds who not only mislead the flock, but was unjust. Now since it is established that when the Bible speaks of Sheppard's it is talking about Jewish leaders. Let's look at what Jesus(PBUH) is reported to have said:

John

1"I tell you the truth, the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. 2The man who enters by the gate is the shepherd of his sheep. 3The watchman opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. 5But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice." 6 Jesus used this figure of speech, but they did not understand what he was telling them.

7 Therefore Jesus said again, "I tell you the truth, I am the gate for the sheep. 8All who ever came before me were thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. 9I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.^[a] He will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

He is warning about the Pharisees and any in the furture that would try mislead the flock. He is warning of no other than Jews! For the record, the Jews are referred to as sheep.

Still more interesting:

Mathew 7:

15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Wow, Glory to Allah. He has given you a very good indicator of who the wolves are. Do some critical thinking and figure out for yourself. Allah's truth will never be hidden.

This is proof that Jesus(PBUH) new very well knew of the Sheppard's who would come after to lead his flock astray. He also knew that the Great deceiver will be of the Jews. This is not anti-Semitism. This is history, present, and future, according to YOUR own book!

I am not a big fan of Paul.

Now, you are correct in understanding that Israel must exist for the events about to transpire, though were it in the power of, say the President of Iran, or K. Maschall(sp), H. Nasrallah or Haniyeh, Israel would cease to exist for Islam to dominate the world. You have to admit they have said that.

Another wipe Israel off the map argument. Iran has no intention to go to war with Israel. Iran does what many other Muslim countries do not do, publicly and forcibly question Israel's existence. Zionists are the true seeker's of world domination in which they are actively seeking. They would have the ignorant to believe that they only want a Jewish state, but if you look at their book, and the prophecies that they have interpreted, does it not say that they would rule from Jerusalem when THEIR messiah comes? They made Jerusalem their capital a few years back LOL. They are seeking to rebuild the old temple this is why Muslims are prevented from going to Al Aqsa. You have to be 40 and up. This is the reason for the terrorist attack on Al Aqsa in the 80s when a Jew killed 80 people praying in the mosque. This is why Sharon visited Al Aqsa which started the current intifada. This is why they are and have dug under al Alaqsa for years. This is why recently the Al Aqsa association were kicked out of their offices by Zionist special forces. They are seeking the building of the third temple. This why they want war with Iran, they want to become the next superpower. They will succeed.

As I said earlier Muslims know more than anyone else on the earth what will happen in the end. It will be no surprise, you misunderstand. We know that we cannot stop what is coming, but if you new that your child would be killed by a sadist, would you give up and not resist at all? No, you would still resist. This is the stance of the constituents of the Muslim world. We know exactly what is coming, but we won't make it easy in other words.

The final triumph will be those nations of God, which is the final promise and one that many of us won't live to see.

He returns, initially to call the Church out to Himself, then again in seven years to conquer the armies of the Adversary's rebellion and assume the throne in Jerusalem.

Sounds like world domination! How then can you criticize Muslims for the same belief? In addition, how would you propose this will happen? Peacefully?

Muslims accept all the books of God in its true form; no other religion in the WORLD accepts the Torah, Gospel, and Quran! We have no problem believing in parts of the Bible, that is why I quote it, however, it is Christians who fear the validation of the Quran, because you do not believe in it or the Prophet, It is you who something to loose.

You have no words that have any power to assure me of anything that contradicts the Holy Bible, for in ther power of the Holy Spirit I have, as well as any true believer in Yeshua HaMashiach, His perfect assurance that His WORD will return to Him in truth. His shed blood has paid for that and it cannot be revoked, not by you; not by any person, power or thing. By the way, that is eternal power from His endless resources, which cannot be depleted. That assurance is within each and everyone of faith in Yeshua HaMashiach and the expectation of His return is founded in His Word, as validated by the fulfillment of the prophecies concerning Israel.

The Bible contradicts itself over and over again, so why is it hard for you to believe in further contradiction. Is it possible that someone got it wrong? Jesus' word was not perfected. Did he not say…

John 16

7Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

8And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9Of sin, because they believe not on me;

10Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

11Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

12I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

His Word was not fulfilled before he left them. It is said the spirit of truth who would complete the message. You believe it was the Holy Ghost, but this is impossible. A Ghost, formless spirit, does not fit the description. It is evident that it was a man, clue: the references of "he" influenced by a holy spirit which in the old testament were referred to as angels. Was not Michael a holy spirit who revealed the word to Moses?

You have no words that have any power to assure me of anything that contradicts the Holy Bible, for in ther power of the Holy Spirit I have, as well as any true believer in Yeshua HaMashiach, His perfect assurance that His WORD will return to Him in truth.

Allah is powerful, he needs no partners in the form of spirits or men. GOD DOES NOT BLEED. He is supreme, the first and the last. It is he who will lead man to his fate. No one can believe except with his permission.

His shed blood has paid for that and it cannot be revoked, not by you; not by any person, power or thing. By the way, that is eternal power from His endless resources, which cannot be depleted. That assurance is within each and everyone of faith in Yeshua HaMashiach and the expectation of His return is founded in His Word, as validated by the fulfillment of the prophecies concerning Israel.

No blood was shed for you. I'm sorry, but it is an error most grievous. No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another (QURAN). Jesus (PBUH) was not killed for you, but instead Allah answered his prayer of distress and saved him despite how much this happy ending upsets you. You would rather believe that he was tortured and killed for your own selfish wish of cheap salvation. This should be good news!!! GOD SAVED HIM! But then how will you make it to heaven now? Maybe you will have to do what all the generations before Christ did, work for it. You have pictures of him hanging in distress while blood runs down his face and you feel safe? You believe that God accepts human sacrifice? This is pagan mythology, not the religion of Abraham!

It is very interesting that Islam has begun the process of trying to make identification with Yeshua (or maybe it has tried all along, the world not taking notice until now when it is convinced a stand needs to taken against the the WORD of the LORD). It is further interesting that you make it out like there are no armies at Islam's beckon call, for you very well know that the entire body of Muslims that follow the Quran are called to be in the Islamic Prophet's army, or fall aside as an unbeliever.

Who do think these people are going to follow after the Church of true believers are removed?

Islam, from it's beginning has recognized Christ as a prophet and the Messiah. Read Surah Imran. I will post further evidence if you require. This connection has never ceased as we have been taught that Jesus was a brother to Muhammad (PBUH) .They are brothers in faith. In the night journey when Muhammad went to heaven, He met Jesus and John along with Moses, Abraham ect. It is in the Quran and Muhammad (PBUH) who has told us that Jesus would return. He has told us that He will be the slayer of the antichrist so what are you talking about? WE WORSHIP NO MAN. That is difference.

Finally, I am no one of any concern to be worthy to explain the wishes of Almighty God, only to witness what He has revealed in His Word to true believers in Him in faith. Only in the Holy Bible are the Words of His promises, His mercy for those who will believe in Him, and His truth when he arrives in judgment.

Allah has made his wishes plain to man over and over again through Prophets and his books. There is no excuse that we don't know what Allah expects from us. There is enough guidance. No, we don't know what is in his heart, but we know what he expects of us. To worship him alone!

If a person fails to see that truth and decides in unbelief, just as the Islamic Prophet had written, to turn away from the WORD of the LORD, then he/she will still face Yeshua, only not in mercy, but in judgment when He is on the White Throne. Believe in the LORD Yeshua HaMashiach while you still can to be saved from that inevitability.

Post Script: Provocation? It has already started and many, if not most, have missed it in unbelief.

I believe in the religion in succession to the messages of Abraham and the following prophets and the 12 tribes. Why this message changed later, much later, to the belief in a triune God itself proves where the error lies. You can not dispute that Islam is closer to the message of Abraham than contemporary Christianity. Christianity stands alone in this belief in the trinity. Renounce it for your salvation.

When Jesus returns he will break the cross and separate himself from those who called him God. That is what you should prepare for….rejection. His throne is the throne of Truth.

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