Azkad: Who are the REAL Muslims? We can't hear them. There are too many deafening explosions.

Submitted by Plato (India), Jan 24, 2009 at 23:57

Azkad, you wrote to Infidel:

>>You should have read my first comment carefully to grasp the idea. Those who are blowing themselves committing suicide and those who are killing the innocent can HARDLY be taken as Muslims.<<

Azkad, who then are the Muslims by your reckoning? Whenever you see a Muslim do something your particular brand or sect of Islam disapproves of he is automatically out of the pale of Islam. That is why the Shias, Ahmadiyas and Sufis are anathema to Sunnis. They are considered Muslims only when you want to boast of the number of Muslims on the planet.

A peaceful religion will not contain hate, curse, abuse, violent and intolerant verses in it. Of the 114 surahs in the Koran at least a 100 of them contain one of these. Do the exercise of picking out such surahs and you will be enlightened.

>> This is NOT the religion of ISLAM that they are voicing largely, this is NOT the order of the Prophet (PBUH), and this is NOT what you are thinking about.<<

Every Muslim who prays to Allah can use whichever verse he wants while praying. This would include many of those hate and curse verses. Let me ask you, are you prohibited from using verses like:

004.089 YUSUFALI: They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-

004.091 YUSUFALI: Others you will find that wish to gain your confidence as well as that of their people: Every time they are sent back to temptation, they succumb thereto: if they withdraw not from you nor give you (guarantees) of peace besides restraining their hands, seize them and slay them wherever ye get them: In their case We have provided you with a clear argument against them.

004.056 Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.

008.055 For the worst of beasts in the sight of Allah are those who reject Him: They will not believe.

009.029 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

These are just a few of the hate verses you use while praying and reciting the Koran. Bringing in the excuse of context will not help as you are using them today to supplicate and appease Allah. In fact in your prayers you are just repeating back to Allah what He said and you are in agreement with what He said today.

Azkad, try this experiment. When praying next keep in mind the meaning of the verses you use and see how good you feel about what you are telling Allah (try this experiment with 33:37). Also ask yourself what you would feel if unbelievers used these verses to pray and instead of ‘unbelievers' or ‘they' or ‘pagans' or ‘Christians' or ‘jews' etc. they used Muslims wherever such words occurred and instead of Allah used the names of their gods, idols?

>> The truth lies far behind that.<<

Can you deny the truth of what I have stated about your prayers??

>>Unless you have the TRUTH about this RELIGION, you go on with preaching your distorted ideas.<<

The truth of this religion is found in the Koran and the 100 or so surahs out of 114 that are imprecations, threats to eternal torture and sheer abuse and curses for doing nothing more than worshipping a lifeless idol.

You may not have noticed, but Infidel is not preaching. Preachinig is a speciality of monotheistic reiligions, especially Islam. I don't have to tell you what dawah is, do I?

Regards

Plato

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