Dear Hopeful: it's never a good idea to start off with an ad hominim argument

Submitted by DrRJP (United States), Jun 7, 2009 at 18:12

What does my degree have to do with understanding the facts about what really happened in this century with respect to Jews and Arabs? What does my degree have to do with understanding what Obama said? Especially since I heard him repeat the same BIG LIE that has been repeated, over and over and over again, by Palestinian propagandists going back to 1964 when Arafat and the PLO invented this mythology. What Obama laid out is EXACTLY THE SAME as what's stated in the PLO's charter -- which became part of the Palesitinian Authority's mission: A unified, independent Palestinian state from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea.

What Obama said was the BIG LIE: that post-Holocaust Jews stole all of the land from indigenous Palestinians and drove them off. It's a pile of camel dung higher than Mt. Everest. It was, and has always been, a case of Arabs not wanting any Jews in their midst. Case in point: from 1948, almost one million Jews were expelled from Arab countries with just the clothes on their backs. They were easily assimilated into Israel along with 1.5 million Arabs.

Meanwhile, not only did they expel Jews, the Arab nations REFUSED to allow any "Palestinian Arabs" to assimilate into their countries, preferring that they rot in squalid camps just so that they could use this to divery attention away from their countries' own problems. Arabs are FULLY RESPONSIBlE for the refugee problem ON BOTH SIDES, Five Arabs nations launched a war of extermination against the Jews, that's the JEWS, hoping to finish what Hitler didn't. And they call that a "catastrophe?"

how many more times did they commit the same "catastrophe of killing Jews?" 1956, 1967, 1973, 1980, 1990, 2000, and 2006. BUT, do you see any Jews attacking the Arab countries from where they were expelled? Do you see any Jews wanting to go back to these Arab countries? Of course not, and neither would any of the Arabs living under Israeli control. Between 1948 and 1967, Egypt killed 9,000 Palestinans (many trying to escape Egypt into Israel) and Jordan killed 29,000 Palestinians. Yet, you will never hear any of the Arab nations mention that. Nor will you hear anything about the illegal occupation of the West Bank by Jordan or the illegal occupation of Gaza by Egypt during that time. What do "Palesitinnas want?" A state REPLACING Israel.

The modern state of Israel has been in existence for 60 years, yet it had never venured anywhere near its original, historic borders. Now, compare that to the spread of imperialistic militant Islam across Asia to Eastern Europe to Africa, leaving death and destruction in its wake. The Ottoman turks were the most barbaric people on Earth. They are also the role models for Hamas, Hezbollah, and Fatah. Yet, you ask the following: "I mean what do you want? Because unless someone brings some sanity into this equation the only choice you have is that Jewish state from Mecca to Gibraltar." What utter nonsense!! The only thing that Jews want is a PART of the land, the country, and the nation, that BELONGED TO THEM, that had existed 3,000 years BEFORE there ever was a "Palestinian," before there ever was this bogus mythology of an independent state known as "Palestine." Nowhere in history has there ever been such a place. They don't want any Arab land. Arabs let what they call, "Palestine," turn into a desert and a cesspool Arabs never take care of the land as Jews have done for millenia.

When Jews returned to Israel in the 19th Century, they turned deserts into oases, and the Arabs flocked to them and settled in and around them. That's how Arabs got there in the first place: through one migration after another. There is no denying that Arabs, living in Israel, and everywhere else that Israel controls or once controlled, and everywhere that Jews were have settled, have always had the highest standard of living than any other nation in the region. It's not even close. Outside of Israel, the rich got richer and the poor got poorer. Gaza has been indpendent since 2005. There are no more Jews in Gaza. So, what have they accomplished in four years? NOTHING!

For that matter, what have ALL of the Arab nations accomplished in the last 60 years for the betterment of its people? **crickets** Inside Israel, Arabs have freedoms unheard of and undreamed of in Arab countries. So, what do we want, you ask? To live in peace. A very simple request that has been denied us for 1,400 years, and not just the past 60. We would like SOME of OUR land back. We would like SOME of the LAND that was promised to us by Britain and the League of Nations. Arabs got all THEIR lands in 1947, as well as OUR land. Except for Egypt, Iran (Persia) and Iraq, the countries in the Middle East that were a part of the Ottoman Empire were created by Britain and handed to Arabs on a platter. Why? Because they had the oil. If only Israel had the oil, where would Arab countries be? I can answer that one: looking to conquer Israel, too.

Meanwhile, 80% of what was to be part of the Jewish homeland was torn out from it and given to the Hashemite King because he threw a temper tantrum when Iraq was given to someone else. So, the slimeball British gave them Transjordan, which became Jordan: THE INDEPENDENT PALESTINIAN STATE. About 75% of Jordan is already Palestinian. We would like some of Judea and some of Samaria back. Who do you think has been living there continously for 3,000 years? "Palestinians?" LOL! Listen, I'm talking about the REAL history of the Middle East, and not the revisionist crap that the PLO authored in 1964, and that mullahs, imams, and Middle Eastern scholars seem to invent on the fly.

Which part of "Both Hamas nor PA/Fatah want to replace the whole of Israel with a Palestinian state," did you not understand? There is no such thing as a "peace agreement" with Israel because the pan-Arab mentality along with jihadist Muslim aspirations both yearn for Israel's destruction.

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