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Reader comment on item: Crisis in Turkey
Submitted by Gulten Savalan (United States), Mar 3, 2010 at 13:39
Dear Mr. Pipes:
From your article, one can easily understand your affection for Turkey's secular and liberal Army and also your aversion for Turkey's current conservative government.
Why do you favor secular, liberal movements/ leaders in other countries and Conservatives in your own Israel and USA? ...
Why can't you be homogeneous?
Gulten Savalan
(Turkey)
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Daniel Pipes replies:
I am a conservative in the American context but when the choice is between Islamism and the Left, I choose the latter - for roughly the reasons as I opted for right-wing dictatorships during the Cold War. In both cases, I support the less lethal alternative.
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| Damn [5 words] | Nazim Cairo | Aug 5, 2013 19:31 | 208811 | ||
| 3 | Death of The Turkish Republic [263 words] | emmett | Aug 5, 2013 18:52 | 208808 | |
| 1 |  Our dear Emmett is saying that the Greeks and the Armenians in Turkey are treated as equals! Sobhanallah [37 words] | dhimmi no more | Aug 6, 2013 06:39 | 208808 | |
| Who is Fethullah Gulen? [50 words] | David Decker | Nov 25, 2011 15:56 | 191181 | ||
| 1 | Dear Dr. Pipes [176 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Debanjan Banerjee | Jun 4, 2011 05:23 | 185966 | |
| keeping silence and supporting their allies made you the potential supporter of them [172 words] | Can | May 6, 2012 20:40 | 185966 | ||
| 5 | Summing up: Islamists (not the Muslims) in Turkey are programmed to constantly gnaw and chew at the pillars and foundation of the secular Republic of Turkey [451 words] | Lazman | Apr 27, 2010 21:01 | 171782 | |
| Summing up: Islamists in Turkey are genetically bred to constantly gnaw and chew at the pillars and foundation of the secular Republic of Turkey [451 words] | Lazman | Apr 26, 2010 10:05 | 171730 | ||
| Cash for Comment? [311 words] | Baran | Mar 23, 2010 04:05 | 170548 | ||
| New Passports with EU Identities [123 words] | Lotus | Mar 22, 2010 18:14 | 170526 | ||
| Thank You [144 words] | serpil Otus | Mar 14, 2010 23:43 | 170151 | ||
| so called freedom [465 words] | yasemin | Mar 12, 2010 15:14 | 170020 | ||
| General Evren & Turkish constitution [170 words] | Baran | Mar 15, 2010 20:57 | 170020 | ||
| 1 | Baran [53 words] | yasemin | Mar 18, 2010 19:48 | 170020 | |
| What kind of change? [169 words] | Baran | Mar 23, 2010 03:36 | 170020 | ||
| Islamic Turkey a De-Facto Requirement for a Middle East in Crisis [432 words] | M. Tovey | Mar 8, 2010 16:07 | 169856 | ||
| USA military secrets are now in the hands of Iran and Al-Qaeda !! [34 words] | jearrayssi | Mar 10, 2010 14:03 | 169856 | ||
| Turkish people [226 words] | Baran | Mar 6, 2010 17:53 | 169786 | ||
| 1 | Militarist Turkey - a generous customers in the West [744 words] | Ianus | Mar 7, 2010 16:11 | 169786 | |
| from thirteen million sick and poor to seventy million of today [590 words] | yasemin | Mar 7, 2010 22:00 | 169786 | ||
| Thanks Yasemin for Turkish democracy [393 words] | Baran | Mar 8, 2010 16:41 | 169786 | ||
| For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also." [343 words] | Ianus | Mar 8, 2010 17:01 | 169786 | ||
| yasemin: Turkey follows a religion which wants to impose itself on every human. [1392 words] | Plato | Mar 8, 2010 22:00 | 169786 | ||
| Good work Ianus [45 words] | Baran | Mar 11, 2010 04:14 | 169786 | ||
| 1 | For Baran [80 words] | Jim | Mar 11, 2010 14:16 | 169786 | |
| Who knows why? [142 words] | Ianus | Mar 12, 2010 15:48 | 169786 | ||
| we take the essence and do not behave like cave men [156 words] | yasemin | Mar 13, 2010 02:10 | 169786 | ||
| yasemin: You have avoided answering questions raised about the essence of your religion [619 words] | Plato | Mar 14, 2010 08:02 | 169786 | ||
| True we learned İslam from Arabs and our ancestors had totally different beiefs. We think the same way for more than eighty years [397 words] | yasemin | Mar 15, 2010 15:16 | 169786 | ||
| Good news, Jim! [359 words] | Baran | Mar 15, 2010 20:34 | 169786 | ||
| Our dear Yasmin and more Turkish delusions part deux [133 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 16, 2010 07:41 | 169786 | ||
| Good news, Jim! [332 words] | Jim | Mar 17, 2010 15:18 | 169786 | ||
| yasemin: You have a secular heart constricted by a Muslim mind [1925 words] | Plato | Mar 17, 2010 22:02 | 169786 | ||
| A medal for you, Jim [351 words] | Baran | Mar 23, 2010 03:59 | 169786 | ||
| self-styled?? [361 words] | the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan | Mar 24, 2010 05:36 | 169786 | ||
| Misguided friend [463 words] | Baran | Mar 26, 2010 21:24 | 169786 | ||
| A medal for you, Jim [398 words] | Jim | Mar 28, 2010 17:56 | 169786 | ||
| You sound like .... [100 words] | Baran | Mar 30, 2010 02:57 | 169786 | ||
| no answers [184 words] | the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan | Mar 31, 2010 03:33 | 169786 | ||
| Mr. Pipes on the current problem in Turkey [27 words] | Milton Fried, MD | Mar 6, 2010 01:16 | 169747 | ||
| 2 | Exactly [74 words] | ates gurbuz | Mar 6, 2010 20:08 | 169747 | |
| 99,8 % Islamic Turkey not going Islamic ? [50 words] | Ianus | Mar 7, 2010 15:03 | 169747 | ||
| The easy way to become Secular [34 words] | SPA | Mar 10, 2010 01:12 | 169747 | ||
| Turkey is not like Iran [111 words] | sebnem kan | Mar 11, 2010 07:34 | 169747 | ||
| Turkey is like Iran before the Islamic revolution. [274 words] | Ianus | Mar 12, 2010 16:04 | 169747 | ||
| meaning of "secular" [187 words] | spa | Mar 15, 2010 01:01 | 169747 | ||
| Very Dilillusioning but not inevitable [31 words] | barbaraclark | Mar 5, 2010 17:42 | 169737 | ||
| re yasemin's statement on ataturk [59 words] | barbaraclark | Mar 6, 2010 12:25 | 169737 | ||
| you are correct [178 words] | havas | Mar 6, 2010 16:37 | 169737 | ||
| Turkey will go Islamic..Erdogan has now the mentality of Jihad! [59 words] | Benny Zeeman | Mar 7, 2010 09:53 | 169737 | ||
| thank you [100 words] | yasemin | Mar 7, 2010 22:13 | 169737 | ||
| I agree [359 words] | Logus | Mar 8, 2010 00:34 | 169737 | ||
| The Turkey/Iranian paradigm. [270 words] | Logus | Mar 8, 2010 00:46 | 169737 | ||
| Havas Any country can be declared secular very easily .Just follow Turkey [82 words] | spa | Mar 10, 2010 01:19 | 169737 | ||
| 1 | One more thread to make a Turkish magic tale of secularism perfect [115 words] | Ianus | Mar 10, 2010 09:03 | 169737 | |
| 1 | what happened to turks in balkans,crimia,georgia,ıraq,etc etc [131 words] | havas | Mar 10, 2010 11:13 | 169737 | |
| cognitive dissonance [165 words] | the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan | Mar 14, 2010 03:16 | 169737 | ||
| Oh! Dear [172 words] | Melih | Mar 19, 2010 15:14 | 169737 | ||
| yasmin on baran [62 words] | barbaraclark | Mar 22, 2010 09:21 | 169737 | ||
| it's great that still people like him are writing this... [394 words] | A.T. | Mar 5, 2010 16:40 | 169733 | ||
| Turkey & USA [190 words] | Sohel Ahmed Bahjat | Mar 5, 2010 04:25 | 169706 | ||
| so free!!! [278 words] | yasemin | Mar 5, 2010 12:21 | 169706 | ||
| Our dear Yasmin and more Turkish delusions [576 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 6, 2010 15:27 | 169706 | ||
| To Dear Yasemin, yes Turkey is imperfect country but is the best in the area. [123 words] | Sohel Ahmed Bahjat | Mar 7, 2010 05:58 | 169706 | ||
| economical achievements were not enough [200 words] | yasemin | Mar 7, 2010 22:50 | 169706 | ||
| just drop it [67 words] | the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan | Mar 12, 2010 03:50 | 169706 | ||
| The term sobhanallah [372 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 13, 2010 08:29 | 169706 | ||
| incorrect link [139 words] | the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan | Mar 13, 2010 19:12 | 169706 | ||
| The term araf...and I thought it was a made up falastine term [80 words] | Simon | Mar 19, 2010 12:55 | 169706 | ||
| The word Araf [93 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 20, 2010 18:13 | 169706 | ||
| Old tactic [207 words] | ates gurbuz | Mar 4, 2010 13:30 | 169682 | ||
| Yes.. patience. [161 words] | yasemin | Mar 7, 2010 23:22 | 169682 | ||
| Marcus' Laws of Electoral Democracy in Muslim-Majority Countries [110 words] | G Marcus | Mar 4, 2010 01:32 | 169664 | ||
| so ??? [197 words] | havas | Mar 6, 2010 14:26 | 169664 | ||
| asleep [75 words] | yasemin | Mar 7, 2010 23:35 | 169664 | ||
| to yasemin [134 words] | havas | Mar 9, 2010 14:37 | 169664 | ||
| voting [153 words] | yasemin | Mar 12, 2010 15:27 | 169664 | ||
| Islamists always confuse atheism and secularism [315 words] | Lazman | Mar 3, 2010 23:52 | 169660 | ||
| Will the Islamic Republic of Turkey join the EU? [79 words] | Susan | Mar 3, 2010 23:14 | 169656 | ||
| Ataturk is the leader of freedom and enlightment for all developing countries [293 words] | yasemin | Mar 3, 2010 21:26 | 169651 | ||
| Best analogy ever [58 words] | ates gurbuz | Mar 4, 2010 19:58 | 169651 | ||
| 1 | A harlot's virginity in crisis [2533 words] | Ianus | Mar 3, 2010 17:54 | 169642 | |
| Strong opinions based on shallow information [348 words] | Cagri | Mar 5, 2010 07:22 | 169642 | ||
| Turkey - a harlot's virginity in crisis [182 words] | Ianus | Mar 5, 2010 10:36 | 169642 | ||
| Cagri Se the facts [117 words] | spa | Mar 9, 2010 02:01 | 169642 | ||
| Re: Turkey - a harlot's virginity in crisis [707 words] | Cagri | Mar 11, 2010 20:00 | 169642 | ||
| 2 | "Armenian genocide"? "No! Just "homogenization" of Turkey between 1915-1923 !" [2606 words] | Ianus | Mar 13, 2010 08:46 | 169642 | |
| To: Ianus [176 words] | Cagri | Mar 14, 2010 09:01 | 169642 | ||
| well said Havas [57 words] | spa | Mar 15, 2010 01:22 | 169642 | ||
| "Homogenization , not genocide !" - an example of a "fruitful" discusion [159 words] | Ianus | Mar 15, 2010 06:40 | 169642 | ||
| The Crisis in Turkey? [651 words] | Oguz Atasay | Mar 3, 2010 16:33 | 169637 | ||
| AKP= A Medieval Party [201 words] | Erhan Aslan | Mar 3, 2010 15:52 | 169635 | ||
| Ottoman v.2 [32 words] | Logus | Mar 3, 2010 15:00 | 169631 | ||
| Welcoming your article [469 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Metin Camcigil | Mar 3, 2010 14:44 | 169630 | ||
| ban religion [40 words] | sengul | Mar 3, 2010 17:37 | 169630 | ||
| If i may... [246 words] | Hans | Mar 5, 2010 21:13 | 169630 | ||
 A gentleman is always consistent in his approach [55 words]w/response from Daniel Pipes | Gulten Savalan | Mar 3, 2010 13:39 | 169625 | ||
| Learn the difference [290 words] | Lazman | Mar 4, 2010 00:41 | 169625 | ||
| "Is" or "was"? [157 words] | Ianus | Mar 5, 2010 15:42 | 169625 | ||
| Christian fanatics need to learn the difference too. Separate FAITH and POLITICS. [459 words] | Lazman | Mar 6, 2010 17:01 | 169625 | ||
| 1 | To err is human. [1653 words] | Ianus | Mar 7, 2010 14:37 | 169625 | |
| Fight for your opinions …. [22 words] | Lazman | Mar 8, 2010 22:27 | 169625 | ||
| Ianus you are right [32 words] | spa | Mar 9, 2010 02:11 | 169625 | ||
| In Rome everything is for sale [176 words] | Ianus | Mar 12, 2010 17:07 | 169625 | ||
| clinton's aim? [129 words] | the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan | Mar 17, 2010 04:09 | 169625 | ||
| Not Clinton's - US aim! [518 words] | Ianus | Mar 18, 2010 14:59 | 169625 | ||
| agree [713 words] | the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan | Mar 21, 2010 00:42 | 169625 | ||
| YOUR COMMENTS ON THE CRISIS IN TURKEY [75 words] | JACQUES HADIDA | Mar 3, 2010 13:27 | 169622 | ||
| bravo [55 words] | Bostonian | Mar 3, 2010 12:50 | 169616 | ||
| role of USA [63 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Mehmet Sagduyu | Mar 3, 2010 11:53 | 169611 | ||
| Whose propoganda? [163 words] | JUNE | Mar 3, 2010 11:04 | 169609 | ||
| ... Turkish history and current problems of the country. [198 words] | romantik | Mar 3, 2010 10:37 | 169605 | ||
| Turkey will be Islamic Republic InshAllah [47 words] | syed mohammad ali | Mar 3, 2010 10:18 | 169603 | ||
| Islamic Republic [9 words] | Straight_Talk_Luigi | Mar 3, 2010 22:42 | 169603 | ||
| Correct, after a fashion. [148 words] | Logus | Mar 4, 2010 14:13 | 169603 | ||
| The best Mouslims are in Turkiye [333 words] | yasemin | Mar 4, 2010 16:42 | 169603 | ||
| Yasmin!!! [66 words] | spa | Mar 16, 2010 06:01 | 169603 | ||
| and the winner.. [91 words] | Köksal Ayçiçek | Mar 3, 2010 09:23 | 169599 | ||
| Future Of Turkey ... [72 words] | Serkan Sener (Turkey) | Mar 3, 2010 07:19 | 169596 | ||
| Attaturk was a Secular anti-Muslim man. Why follow him to Jahaanum? [42 words] | Saed Saed | Mar 3, 2010 13:23 | 169596 | ||
| Our dear Saed Saed [123 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 3, 2010 20:11 | 169596 | ||
| Saed Saed your name should be Taees Taees re Serkan Sener (Turkey) [24 words] | Sophie | Mar 4, 2010 19:41 | 169596 | ||
| Sophie: Ask not naive questions [47 words] | Saed Saed | Mar 5, 2010 17:37 | 169596 | ||
| Logic Islamic style by no other than our dear Saed Saed who lives among big time kuffar [398 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 9, 2010 07:08 | 169596 | ||
| Saed Saed: If you live in the US you are guaranteed hell by Allah [501 words] | Plato | Mar 10, 2010 12:16 | 169596 | ||
| Plato: Don't create your own meanings. Learn Quran from an Islamic Scholar [32 words] | Saed Saed | Mar 15, 2010 01:46 | 169596 | ||
| Our dear Saed Saed al-munafiq al-kabeer part deux [118 words] | dhimmi no more | Mar 16, 2010 07:30 | 169596 | ||
| Where can they stop? [34 words] | Eyup Yayci | Mar 3, 2010 07:08 | 169595 | ||
| Turkey at a crossroads [78 words] | LTC Yehuda Weinraub, ph.D. | Mar 3, 2010 04:00 | 169593 | ||
| please dont support the islamists [140 words] | Bostonian | Mar 3, 2010 13:03 | 169593 | ||
| By secularism alone ? [77 words] | Ianus | Mar 7, 2010 14:53 | 169593 | ||
| 1 | fethullah hareketi cia destekli [63 words] | goktug | Mar 3, 2010 03:29 | 169590 | |
| We have to accept the rule of democracy - and its consequences - , even and especially, in Turkey! [195 words] | Isaac Haskiya | Mar 3, 2010 02:32 | 169587 | ||
| how about democracy for Hamas? [78 words] | Bostonian | Mar 3, 2010 13:08 | 169587 | ||
| We cannot short-circuit the democratic process in Turkey. [209 words] | Isaac Haskiya | Mar 4, 2010 02:16 | 169587 | ||
| that's right [35 words] | müslümansolcu | Mar 3, 2010 02:24 | 169586 | ||
| Yet one more country falling under islamists control ....Mar 2010 [73 words] | Phil Greend | Mar 2, 2010 23:47 | 169584 | ||
| Guess what lesson did I get from Attaturk's policies?? [95 words] | Ibrahim Ozaan | Mar 3, 2010 13:50 | 169584 | ||
| I understand, you are traumatized ! [61 words] | Lazman | Mar 3, 2010 23:17 | 169584 | ||
| A lesson to learn [246 words] | Ianus | Mar 6, 2010 17:26 | 169584 | ||
| The trauma of learning to read and write [131 words] | Ianus | Mar 6, 2010 17:46 | 169584 | ||
| Ianus: I need to be careful of a man who is LOVED by Zionists [21 words] | Ibrahim Ozaan | Mar 8, 2010 11:48 | 169584 | ||
| 1 | Zionists love Ataturk - a comedy of errors [183 words] | Ianus | Mar 8, 2010 16:11 | 169584 | |
| Don't pick on Fethullah Gulen !! [133 words] | Lazman | Mar 2, 2010 23:35 | 169583 | ||
| gulen books [52 words] | kamil | Mar 16, 2010 05:38 | 169583 | ||
| I think the AKP have got some real problems. [210 words] | Adrian Wainer | Mar 2, 2010 16:31 | 169573 | ||
| May be - or may be not [173 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Lars Bjørn Helm Nielsen | Mar 2, 2010 16:30 | 169572 | ||
| 2 | AKP democratic??... truly funny joke [107 words] | bostonian | Mar 3, 2010 13:18 | 169572 | |
| Oh sorry [71 words] | Lars Nielsen | Mar 4, 2010 12:36 | 169572 | ||
| Turkey - Potemkin Republic [85 words] | Ianus | Mar 7, 2010 16:42 | 169572 | ||
| to Lars Nielsen [37 words] | Bostonian | Mar 11, 2010 14:43 | 169572 | ||
| Unnoticed [146 words] | Alan Fox | Mar 2, 2010 15:59 | 169571 | ||
| Some have eyes but they do not see [77 words] | David W. Lincoln | Mar 2, 2010 15:53 | 169570 | ||
| Eyes and pockets [182 words] | Ianus | Mar 6, 2010 17:05 | 169570 | ||
| Religion and government is an unstable mix. Reason and faith are mortal enimies. it is either/or! [140 words] | Ralph C. Whaley MD | Mar 2, 2010 13:26 | 169567 | ||
| "Evil and good and a future with hope" [306 words] | Lactantius Jr | Apr 12, 2010 08:24 | 169567 | ||
| A rational standard for morality [253 words] | Ralph C. Whaley MD | Apr 15, 2010 18:00 | 169567 | ||
| "Is the faith commitment to the omnicompetence of reason reasonable?" [619 words] | Lactantius Jr | Apr 17, 2010 10:19 | 169567 | ||
| Better philosophers than Ayn Rand had some problems with this [211 words] | Peter Herz | Apr 30, 2010 22:48 | 169567 | ||
| Ayn Rand was deeper than you think [134 words] | Harry Binswanger | May 2, 2010 22:08 | 169567 | ||
| Turkey [51 words] | Joe Six-Pack | Mar 2, 2010 12:32 | 169565 | ||
| Re: Turkey [34 words] | Nuray | Mar 4, 2010 14:02 | 169565 | ||
| Cheated repeatedly by the same swindler [69 words] | Ianus | Mar 6, 2010 07:48 | 169565 | ||
| Turkey [126 words] | Joe Six-Pack | Mar 11, 2010 11:26 | 169565 | ||
| Turkey, Sex Trafficking & the Rise of Islam [137 words] | Joe | Mar 2, 2010 12:29 | 169564 | ||
| Some questions to Dr. Pipes [118 words] | Debanjan Banerjee | Mar 2, 2010 11:46 | 169562 | ||
| to Debanjan [161 words] | bostonian | Mar 3, 2010 13:27 | 169562 | ||
| My Answer to Bostonian [308 words] | Debanjan Banerjee | Mar 4, 2010 07:55 | 169562 | ||
| A Muslim dream [68 words] | Howard E. Cook | Mar 2, 2010 11:17 | 169559 | ||
| Another approach [58 words] | A. Kahraman | Mar 2, 2010 11:05 | 169558 | ||
| Absolutely, but make full disclosure about Taraf UK [150 words] | Lazman | Mar 4, 2010 21:30 | 169558 | ||
| Western aquiescence [37 words] | Vijay | Mar 2, 2010 10:17 | 169555 | ||
| It is time ... [150 words] | Sylvia Scott | Mar 2, 2010 08:05 | 169549 | ||
| Good article - Crisis in Turkey [105 words] | Ben Clarke | Mar 2, 2010 02:00 | 169544 |
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