yasemin: Turkey follows a religion which wants to impose itself on every human.

Submitted by Plato (India), Mar 8, 2010 at 22:00

yasemin, you write:

>>And besides, as I mentioned before, the best Mouslims are in Turkiye since we are Mouslims with our own individual free will.<<

The best Muslims probably are in Turkey not because of 'individual free will' but because Ataturk managed to impose some European values on you i.e. a semblance of democracy, women's rights, separation of state and religion.

Free will is a concept alien to Islam because Allah says he wants to force Islam on all as He says in these verses:

033.036 YUSUFALI: It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path.

This verse, 33:36 rules out free for Muslims.

009.033 YUSUFALI: It is He Who hath sent His Messenger with guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it).

Verse 9:33 rules out free will for all non-Muslims

>>We can see the essence of our religion. Not deceived by the so-called religious leaders - which is forbidden in İslam, religion is between self and Allah, it is forbidden to obey any human being but Allah.<<

The core belief in Islam is the oneness of god as every other sin is forgivable except associating anyone with Allah.

004.048 YUSUFALI: Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed.

Your religious leaders know this fact which is why they insist on the destruction of all other religions just as the Prophet did (the prophet personally destroyed the idols held sacred by his own ancestors). Why else would Turkey be 99% Muslim?

>> If anyone obeys and bends before another human being he is not obeying Allah.<<

Very true. Why is the all-powerful Allah terrified of one human bending before another human of his own free will? Why is it such a big crime that he has to burn in hell forever?

>>all people are equally human.<<

All people being equal are an accepted fact now among civilized people. But the Koran emphatically denies this essential humanity of all of us, for it says:

003.110 YUSUFALI: Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors.

The Koran is telling Muslims in 3:110 that they are the best of peoples evolved by Allah, automatically making unbelievers less human.

009.028 YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.

Verse 9:28 informs Muslims that non-Muslims are unclean which by corollary makes Muslims clean and superior to unbelievers.

In the two verses below Allah tells Muslim men that they are created to be superior to women.

004.011 YUSUFALI: Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females:……

002.228 YUSUFALI: Divorced women shall wait concerning themselves for three monthly periods. Nor is it lawful for them to hide what Allah Hath created in their wombs, if they have faith in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands have the better right to take them back in that period, if they wish for reconciliation. And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree (of advantage) over them. And Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.

>>If people are not good to other people,( Mouslim or not), his prayers are not heard by Allah. This is the essence of Islam.<<

If you read the Koran you will realize that however good an unbeliever is his good deeds are a waste of time and energy so far as Allah is concerned for the essence of Islam is that unbelievers can never do any good, for He says:

024.039 YUSUFALI: But the Unbelievers,- their deeds are like a mirage in sandy deserts, which the man parched with thirst mistakes for water; until when he comes up to it, he finds it to be nothing: But he finds Allah (ever) with him, and Allah will pay him his account: and Allah is swift in taking account.

009.053 YUSUFALI: Say: "Spend (for the cause) willingly or unwillingly: not from you will it be accepted: for ye are indeed a people rebellious and wicked"

>>And best Mouslims are in Turkiye. Each and evryone has the right to change his/her religion but we do not. Without any force and obligation we are Mouslims individually. One by one. That is Islam.<<

That is NOT Islam. Islam says that those who turn renegade (i.e. change their Islamic religion) must be killed:

004.089 YUSUFALI: They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their

ranks;-

004.090 YUSUFALI: Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach……

>>No sheriat laws of the 5th century. Allah says " I gave you brains, so use them to be a real human and real mouslim". With blind faith no one can be a real Mouslim.<<

Blind faith is what Allah demands from Muslims for He says:

005.101 YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. But if ye ask about things when the Qur'an is being revealed, they will be made plain to you, Allah will forgive those: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing.

005.102 YUSUFALI: Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith.

006.068 YUSUFALI: When thou seest men engaged in vain discourse about Our signs, turn away from them unless they turn to a different theme. If Satan ever makes thee forget, then after recollection, sit not thou in the company of those who do wrong.

In these verses the Koran has informed you that blind faith in the Koran is what makes a good Muslim and that if you question it i.e. use your brains, you will lose your faith.

>>Every person has all the right to live his/her religion freely whatever it is, or live as an atheist. We are protected by laws. And forcing religion to each other. That is completely forbidden.<<

Verse 9:33 quoted above clearly tells you that Muslims must force their religion even on people who detest Islam. If the laws of Turkey forbid enforcing Islam on those who turn atheist or take another religion then clearly they are against the guidance given by the Koran. Verses 3:83 and 3:85 reinforce the fact that Allah wants to force Islam even on those who are unwilling to accept it:

003.083 YUSUFALI: Do they seek for other than the Religion of Allah?-while all creatures in the heavens and on earth have, willing or unwilling, bowed to His Will (Accepted Islam), and to Him shall they all be brought back

003.085 YUSUFALI: If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).

>>And,

Darkness can never succeed to replace enlightment.

We, majority in Turkiye believe so.<<

I hope I have been able to enlighten you about the true nature of the religion you so proudly follow in Turkey. You say the "so-called" religious leaders are misleading you, but it seems you have misled yourself into believing that your religion is tolerant and forgiving.

Regards

Plato

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