yasemin: You have avoided answering questions raised about the essence of your religion

Submitted by Plato (India), Mar 14, 2010 at 08:02

Yasemin, in your post you made several claims about the religion you follow. You have replied by simply avoiding answering any point I had raised about your claims about Islam. Now you claim Turkey is a great country. I visited Turkey for three days (which is not enough time to make any judgments) two years ago and found the people friendly. But I also found a recent statistic which shows honour killings are still rampant in Turkey, which is bad news for your claim to Turkey being a nice place.

>>We do not learn Islam from others.<<

You learned Islam from the Arabs. Islam is not a Turkish religion. Islam is an Arab religion, by an Arab and for Arabs as the Koran emphasizes emphatically in several verses:

006.092 YUSUFALI: And this is a Book which We have sent down, bringing blessings, and confirming (the revelations) which came before it: that thou mayest warn the mother of cities and all around her. Those who believe in the Hereafter believe in this (Book), and they are constant in guarding their prayers. [Repeated in 42:007]

012.002 YUSUFALI: We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur'an, in order that ye may learn wisdom. [Why did Allah not send down a Turiksh Koran for Turks to learn wisdom?]

014.004 YUSUFALI: We sent not a messenger except (to teach) in the language of his (own) people, in order to make (things) clear to them. Now Allah leaves straying those whom He pleases and guides whom He pleases: and He is Exalted in power, full of Wisdom. [What happened to the messenger sent down to teach Islam to Turks in Turkish?]

026.198-199 YUSUFALI: Had We revealed it to any of the non-Arabs,
And had he recited it to them, they would not have believed in it. [Why then do you believe it in Turkey?]

041.044 YUSUFALI: Had We sent this as a Qur'an (in the language) other than Arabic, they would have said: "Why are not its verses explained in detail? What! (a Book) not in Arabic and (a Messenger an Arab?" …..[Is it not time for Turks to ask why the Koran was not sent in Turkish? How can you believe a nor-Turk messenger who teaches you Islam in an alien language?]

>> We know what we know.<<

If you read and understand the above verses you will realize you do not really know what you know.

>>We are good people with good intentions with a beautiful country.<<

There is no nation which does not make such a claim. Only the people you dominated during the age of the Ottomans can judge whether you are a good people and whether your intentions are good, like the Armenians, Bulgarians, Serbians, for example.

>>But since we are always in the middle of everything, geographically and as being Mouslims and the secular one, we are always in between east and west.<<

You cannot be Muslim and secular at the same time. A Muslim who believes that belief in other gods or goddesses is not a crime against their god, Allah, is no more a Muslim. A secular person finds no difficulty in accepting that all faiths are equally valid, unless that faith's values are against basic human rights. Islam allows slave keeping (Koran 16:75), beating of wives (Koran 43:4), forcing Islam on unwilling people (9:33), so it is impossible to reconcile secularism and Islam.

>>If you want to talk with words that you only hear, that's OK.<<

Is it OK to talk about words (AND BELIEVE) that only an illiterate Arab had claimed to have heard it from an invisible creature who claimed it had in turn heard it from another equally invisible creature?

Regards

Plato

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